Depression, suicide. How is everyone?

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GNTLGNT

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...I'm not feeling the greatest lately...it may be time for a med adjustment.....as I have stated elsewhere, I finally admitted I had a depressive problem after long swearing "ain't nuttin' wrong with ME!"...I was the only one who couldn't see it...some of what troubles me are my own issues-but more so, my beloved in pain all the time, never getting to spend time with her due to conflicting work schedules, my son in the Army at a time when the world seems on the verge of blowing again-etc....am I suicidal?...no... have I thought about it over the years?, hell yes...but you won't lose THIS idiot that easy....
 

blunthead

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...I'm not feeling the greatest lately...it may be time for a med adjustment.....as I have stated elsewhere, I finally admitted I had a depressive problem after long swearing "ain't nuttin' wrong with ME!"...I was the only one who couldn't see it...some of what troubles me are my own issues-but more so, my beloved in pain all the time, never getting to spend time with her due to conflicting work schedules, my son in the Army at a time when the world seems on the verge of blowing again-etc....am I suicidal?...no... have I thought about it over the years?, hell yes...but you won't lose THIS idiot that easy....
(((((Scott))))) God bless you for your honesty. It helps us at the SKMB.
 

blunthead

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...I'm not feeling the greatest lately...it may be time for a med adjustment.....as I have stated elsewhere, I finally admitted I had a depressive problem after long swearing "ain't nuttin' wrong with ME!"...I was the only one who couldn't see it...some of what troubles me are my own issues-but more so, my beloved in pain all the time, never getting to spend time with her due to conflicting work schedules, my son in the Army at a time when the world seems on the verge of blowing again-etc....am I suicidal?...no... have I thought about it over the years?, hell yes...but you won't lose THIS idiot that easy....
As a child I was happy. I enjoyed life. During my adolescence I seemed to start having emotional problems, low-grade depression mostly. I assume hormonal changes had something to do with the difference. I continue to suffer in this way. I take an anti-depressant which seems to help somewhat. I believe progress includes a mindset change, though someone suffering from a physiological brain chemistry deficiency needs more than psychological determination.
 

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...I'm not feeling the greatest lately...it may be time for a med adjustment.....as I have stated elsewhere, I finally admitted I had a depressive problem after long swearing "ain't nuttin' wrong with ME!"...I was the only one who couldn't see it...some of what troubles me are my own issues-but more so, my beloved in pain all the time, never getting to spend time with her due to conflicting work schedules, my son in the Army at a time when the world seems on the verge of blowing again-etc....am I suicidal?...no... have I thought about it over the years?, hell yes...but you won't lose THIS idiot that easy....


(((Scott))) may that inner peace come back to you.
Once again, the SKMB amazes me... from the tragic death of Robin Williams comes an openness amongst the Ka-Tet. Life stories being told, exposing oneself, realizing truths within our own lives. We have all been touched, and we shall heal together.
 

BeverleyMarsh

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How am I?
I think I'm OK.
But then I would, wouldn't I? :upside:

Seriously, I am OK. I wasn't, a few weeks back. But...in a way that was OK, too. A lesson I had to learn was that it's OK to not feel OK, and give yourself 'permission' to feel that way. I've also learnt to speak up, no matter how softly. I give my support network a bit of a heads-up - could turn out to be nothing, could be something, time always tells - and keep rollin' on.
(Sadly, my 'network' doesn't automatically include all my friends or family; some of them just don't understand - or rather, some can't and some won't. Even my mom, way back when it all began, would describe it as being "a bit down" or "in the dumps". You know, because basically hoping you'd die in your sleep and giving serious thought to making it happen anyway (and/or scrabbling around for reasons why you shouldn't and pretty much coming up empty) is the same as being "a bit low" or "down in the dumps". Of course, when it hit my sis - more mildly in most ways. At least she staggered around somewhat functionally. I'd found it was all I could do to drag myself out of bed, watch Pingu (a kid's thing, nothing too taxing), and shuffle around a bit - it was different. Suddenly, my mom understood...my sister's depression. Not mine. Never mine. Maybe it's because I'm the eldest or the lad or something. I don't know. Oh, and the main reason why I didn't bring the curtain down and sought help instead was my nephew. We've always been close and he was only about 2 back then. I didn't want him to have to deal with that, or be asking the question 'Where's Karl?')

I did the therapy and I'd do it again, if need be. But I refused the meds. Well, they were prescribed, but I just didn't take them. I would have, if I hadn't read up on them and found that, oddly, they can lead to a higher tendency to want to commit suicide (at least the ones we can get have been sort-of noted for it). I mean, that just sounded as bad as the doctor going "Depressed, eh? Well here's a revolver. There's only one bullet, so...spin away!"
Ultimately, I focused more on coping mechanisms and relying on the support, when needed, of others. Of them all, my other half 'gets it' the most, despite never having known a depressive before. She keeps her eye on me anyway. Sometimes she's the one who spots that I'm on the wobble (I think I'm OK...but then I would, wouldn't I?). During my down spells, she somehow then manages to watch me more closely, while still giving me the space I need. Sometimes I feel like a burden - I have to be, right? - but she won't stand for that kind of talk or thinking. All she says is, "It's just who you are" and accepts it.
I think it's because of her that the seriously bad times have been so rare over the last 8-10 years. Most of the dips are fairly shallow and are probably not much worse than how everyone gets from time to time. There have been a couple of genuinely hairy roller-coaster moments, though.
But anyway...I'm OK!
I'm very happy you're ok and that you found someone that understands you and knows how to deal with your down times in such a way that you're not meant to feel guilty for feeling the way you do sometimes. I wish you every happiness.
Also, you make a good point about anti depressants, their potential side effects are a great irony. I don't like to speculate but I have been wondering about Robin Williams, as he was recently in rehab, whether he was given a new treatment that may have had that devastating side effect.
 

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How am I?
I think I'm OK.
But then I would, wouldn't I? :upside:

Seriously, I am OK. I wasn't, a few weeks back. But...in a way that was OK, too. A lesson I had to learn was that it's OK to not feel OK, and give yourself 'permission' to feel that way. I've also learnt to speak up, no matter how softly. I give my support network a bit of a heads-up - could turn out to be nothing, could be something, time always tells - and keep rollin' on.
(Sadly, my 'network' doesn't automatically include all my friends or family; some of them just don't understand - or rather, some can't and some won't. Even my mom, way back when it all began, would describe it as being "a bit down" or "in the dumps". You know, because basically hoping you'd die in your sleep and giving serious thought to making it happen anyway (and/or scrabbling around for reasons why you shouldn't and pretty much coming up empty) is the same as being "a bit low" or "down in the dumps". Of course, when it hit my sis - more mildly in most ways. At least she staggered around somewhat functionally. I'd found it was all I could do to drag myself out of bed, watch Pingu (a kid's thing, nothing too taxing), and shuffle around a bit - it was different. Suddenly, my mom understood...my sister's depression. Not mine. Never mine. Maybe it's because I'm the eldest or the lad or something. I don't know. Oh, and the main reason why I didn't bring the curtain down and sought help instead was my nephew. We've always been close and he was only about 2 back then. I didn't want him to have to deal with that, or be asking the question 'Where's Karl?')

I did the therapy and I'd do it again, if need be. But I refused the meds. Well, they were prescribed, but I just didn't take them. I would have, if I hadn't read up on them and found that, oddly, they can lead to a higher tendency to want to commit suicide (at least the ones we can get have been sort-of noted for it). I mean, that just sounded as bad as the doctor going "Depressed, eh? Well here's a revolver. There's only one bullet, so...spin away!"
Ultimately, I focused more on coping mechanisms and relying on the support, when needed, of others. Of them all, my other half 'gets it' the most, despite never having known a depressive before. She keeps her eye on me anyway. Sometimes she's the one who spots that I'm on the wobble (I think I'm OK...but then I would, wouldn't I?). During my down spells, she somehow then manages to watch me more closely, while still giving me the space I need. Sometimes I feel like a burden - I have to be, right? - but she won't stand for that kind of talk or thinking. All she says is, "It's just who you are" and accepts it.
I think it's because of her that the seriously bad times have been so rare over the last 8-10 years. Most of the dips are fairly shallow and are probably not much worse than how everyone gets from time to time. There have been a couple of genuinely hairy roller-coaster moments, though.
But anyway...I'm OK!

My partner (I've mentioned before he was an adult mental health social worker before retiring) explained to me that one of the reasons anti-depressants can actually lead to suicide is that prior to taking them the person didn't have the energy to do anything so wouldn't take that step of committing suicide--it would have been too much "trouble". But there is that place when they're getting better that they still aren't beyond the depressive state but have more energy and their thoughts are that things still aren't any better so why bother and that's when they do take the step of following through with the thoughts of suicide that they'd probably been having before taking the meds. That's also a reason why there are more suicides in spring--when a person has been telling themselves all winter that it's just the weather and things will get better when the weather does but it doesn't because that wasn't the real problem, they reach their bottom.
 

BeverleyMarsh

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I've never had this kind of reaction to a celebrity's passing before. I know I've always identified with him strongly, a fact which is testimony mostly to his unique personality, but also because he and I were very close in age. Certain celebs are like brothers and sisters to me; this is probably due to my lifelong love of the entertainment industry.
I can relate with this. On Sunday Robin Williams passed away and so did my granddad, and it may be horrible to say but I was more affected by Robin Williams passing. My granddad was 86, he had a long and fulfilling life, he went for a nap after his lunch and never woke up again. This is the course of life. But for Robin Williams, the circumstances make it unbearable. The idea that a man who gave so much and who was loved all over the world ended up feeling so alone, it's almost impossible to accept.
 

Jojo87

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(((Scott))) May you find inner peace.

I've been depressed from time to time. My work depress me sometimes, yes because of the horrible boss we have. It sometimes feels like
I just don't want to go to work, I don't want to see my boss's face. Thankfully I am on vacation now, so I get some time off from seeing her.

Before I met my boyfriend I was depressed to ever find the right man in my life. It felt like everyone around me was in a happy relationship,
having kids, getting married etc etc..... I just sometimes thought to myself,my life will be like this, Am I gonna walk alone rest of my
life without the better half on my side. I started to build my life so, that I never find anyone. I know it sounds horrible. But after I met
my boyfriend my whole life changed. I can be happy now and knowing that there is this other person who listen to me, who I can talk to and
be with. Knowing that I won't be alone anymore. Yes I have my parents, but after they are gone, who would it have been then. OK maybe I
should stop thinking negative thoughts and just be happy.
 

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(((To all who have been affected by depression either personally or having family or friends with it)))

I have had a couple of times when I had reached the point where I was not suicidal but honestly didn't care if I lived. It was the combination of anti-depressants and finally finding the right match with a counselor to overcome it. Against doctor's advice I weaned myself off the pills while continuing with the counseling and have been able to maintain since then. The toughest part was having my family accept that the "new" me wasn't the person they had known before and that I wasn't going to allow myself to be a doormat. I was no longer willing to try to please everyone else at my expense and that, of course, upset their apple carts. Without the support of the counseling group and my current partner I'm sure I would have slipped back into old patterns because it's not easy to fight the resistance from your family.
 

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(((To all who have been affected by depression either personally or having family or friends with it)))

I have had a couple of times when I had reached the point where I was not suicidal but honestly didn't care if I lived. It was the combination of anti-depressants and finally finding the right match with a counselor to overcome it. Against doctor's advice I weaned myself off the pills while continuing with the counseling and have been able to maintain since then. The toughest part was having my family accept that the "new" me wasn't the person they had known before and that I wasn't going to allow myself to be a doormat. I was no longer willing to try to please everyone else at my expense and that, of course, upset their apple carts. Without the support of the counseling group and my current partner I'm sure I would have slipped back into old patterns because it's not easy to fight the resistance from your family.


((((Marsha)))) you have heard your music and allow it to play.
 

blunthead

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(((To all who have been affected by depression either personally or having family or friends with it)))

I have had a couple of times when I had reached the point where I was not suicidal but honestly didn't care if I lived. It was the combination of anti-depressants and finally finding the right match with a counselor to overcome it. Against doctor's advice I weaned myself off the pills while continuing with the counseling and have been able to maintain since then. The toughest part was having my family accept that the "new" me wasn't the person they had known before and that I wasn't going to allow myself to be a doormat. I was no longer willing to try to please everyone else at my expense and that, of course, upset their apple carts. Without the support of the counseling group and my current partner I'm sure I would have slipped back into old patterns because it's not easy to fight the resistance from your family.
"Family" tends to include codependency and the demand for role play. When we forsake the role we're expected to assume, family members tend not to like it.
 

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(((To all who have been affected by depression either personally or having family or friends with it)))

I have had a couple of times when I had reached the point where I was not suicidal but honestly didn't care if I lived. It was the combination of anti-depressants and finally finding the right match with a counselor to overcome it. Against doctor's advice I weaned myself off the pills while continuing with the counseling and have been able to maintain since then. The toughest part was having my family accept that the "new" me wasn't the person they had known before and that I wasn't going to allow myself to be a doormat. I was no longer willing to try to please everyone else at my expense and that, of course, upset their apple carts. Without the support of the counseling group and my current partner I'm sure I would have slipped back into old patterns because it's not easy to fight the resistance from your family.
Growing pains. Not just for kids with lanky limbs. They might not like it now, but you're setting an amazing and brave example for all around you. Change isn't easy, but it's usually for the better.