Depression, suicide. How is everyone?

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Mr Nobody

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How am I?
I think I'm OK.
But then I would, wouldn't I? :upside:

Seriously, I am OK. I wasn't, a few weeks back. But...in a way that was OK, too. A lesson I had to learn was that it's OK to not feel OK, and give yourself 'permission' to feel that way. I've also learnt to speak up, no matter how softly. I give my support network a bit of a heads-up - could turn out to be nothing, could be something, time always tells - and keep rollin' on.
(Sadly, my 'network' doesn't automatically include all my friends or family; some of them just don't understand - or rather, some can't and some won't. Even my mom, way back when it all began, would describe it as being "a bit down" or "in the dumps". You know, because basically hoping you'd die in your sleep and giving serious thought to making it happen anyway (and/or scrabbling around for reasons why you shouldn't and pretty much coming up empty) is the same as being "a bit low" or "down in the dumps". Of course, when it hit my sis - more mildly in most ways. At least she staggered around somewhat functionally. I'd found it was all I could do to drag myself out of bed, watch Pingu (a kid's thing, nothing too taxing), and shuffle around a bit - it was different. Suddenly, my mom understood...my sister's depression. Not mine. Never mine. Maybe it's because I'm the eldest or the lad or something. I don't know. Oh, and the main reason why I didn't bring the curtain down and sought help instead was my nephew. We've always been close and he was only about 2 back then. I didn't want him to have to deal with that, or be asking the question 'Where's Karl?')

I did the therapy and I'd do it again, if need be. But I refused the meds. Well, they were prescribed, but I just didn't take them. I would have, if I hadn't read up on them and found that, oddly, they can lead to a higher tendency to want to commit suicide (at least the ones we can get have been sort-of noted for it). I mean, that just sounded as bad as the doctor going "Depressed, eh? Well here's a revolver. There's only one bullet, so...spin away!"
Ultimately, I focused more on coping mechanisms and relying on the support, when needed, of others. Of them all, my other half 'gets it' the most, despite never having known a depressive before. She keeps her eye on me anyway. Sometimes she's the one who spots that I'm on the wobble (I think I'm OK...but then I would, wouldn't I?). During my down spells, she somehow then manages to watch me more closely, while still giving me the space I need. Sometimes I feel like a burden - I have to be, right? - but she won't stand for that kind of talk or thinking. All she says is, "It's just who you are" and accepts it.
I think it's because of her that the seriously bad times have been so rare over the last 8-10 years. Most of the dips are fairly shallow and are probably not much worse than how everyone gets from time to time. There have been a couple of genuinely hairy roller-coaster moments, though.
But anyway...I'm OK!
 

Lepplady

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I agree but unfortunately you're right, we're not there yet. Far from it. In my last job the jokes that were getting the best response were about the receptionist who was suffering from depression. It had become common knowledge that she was ill since the day where she missed her duty to get the office milk because she was parked in a lay by. She'd stopped on her way to work, she didn't feel she could go any further that morning. She rang our boss and explained. And the boss felt it her duty to inform pretty much the whole of the company as if it was the juiciest bit of gossip she'd ever heard. She was known from that day as " Lay by Jill" .How would you feel if you were suffering from depression yourself in that type of environment? You just couldn't talk about it.
If it were me, I'd go right over her head. Or I'd sue her for creating a hostile work environment. People have rights.
 

Ragan

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This is a heavy topic, and one that makes me miss the old groups even more. I don't feel all that comfortable discussing this subject so openly, for so many reasons.

It's just so mixed. It's horrible when someone dies of suicide. It's also horrible that they went through emotions and thoughts that made suicide seem the better choice. The tragedy starts long before the act.

And I've lost my patience for people who use the go-to phrases on the subject. "Selfish" "coward" and "permanent solution", even "cry for help" do a lot of harm.

One thing I am grateful for at least, if there's anything about Robin Williams' death that is positive, is that it's got people talking about this issue beyond the canned responses. It's given a more accurate and honest face to chronic depression.

Now one of the worst things that we as a culture, as people, teach people with depression is that we don't want to hear it. No one wants to listen to the whining. When efforts are made to express how bad things are, we shoot them down or ignore them, or try to simplify them. Surely Robin Williams couldn't have been struggling and thought about death, he had a family, wealth, and fame. Surely the Kurt Cobains of the world were just attention whores who couldn't toughen up in the end. Easy to think they just need to do something to fix their one problem and it was all going to fine. Or tell them to shut up.

And most of them time, it happens and everyone says "we never saw it coming" and yet are faced with an obvious trail of signs in hindsight. There had to be a hell there that made death appealing. That's the thing we don't hear. When people hit that point, they don't rationally make a phone call or go on TV or even go to the next room and go "I need help." They can't. And life teaches too often if they did, it will make things worse.

The responses to that desperation are usually the same handful. Dismissal of the feelings on one hand. On the other, a patronizing form of sympathy that robs dignity. Or the threat that from that moment, freedom and independence will be lost as you are branded as a defective crazy person.

There's no easy answers here, but there is a place to start. First, listening. Second, realizing how difficult it is to actually communicate. Third, removing the threat of indignity.

And in some ways, we need to realize that suicide is the final stage of an emotional malignancy that is too easily ignored. The time to make a difference isn't during the suicidal stage, but before. The time we spend teaching the silence.
 

blunthead

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After a failed romance in 2005 I became "clinically" depressed (Major depressive disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). During this time I began to understand how a person could kill himself due to depression. It was a truly horrible experience, a level of hell. I knew that in time I would reemerge from the depths, that the pain would eventually be a thing of the past, but meanwhile I had to make it from one second to the next. That was literally what living was like - surviving from nano-second to nano-second pain capable of driving a person insane. The only way I managed not to become totally despondent was through desperate, heartfelt prayer, and refusing to go down. I wasn't suicidal; I did feel kind of dead - non-human - though. It took eight months.

Robin Williams' death has been really effecting me. It's just unbelievable. I feel a personal loss which really surprises me. I know I'm in a kind of shock, and that I must now go through a grieving process. My reaction impresses me. I wasn't aware how much the man meant to me.
 

Grandpa

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I feel a personal loss which really surprises me. I know I'm in a kind of shock, and that I must go through a grieving process. My reaction impresses me. I wasn't aware how much the man meant to me.

I'm the same way. I would not have believed I'd have this reaction until it happened. Not that it's about me. It's not. It's about him and his impact on us.
 

blunthead

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I'm the same way. I would not have believed I'd have this reaction until it happened. Not that it's about me. It's not. It's about him and his impact on us.
I've never had this kind of reaction to a celebrity's passing before. I know I've always identified with him strongly, a fact which is testimony mostly to his unique personality, but also because he and I were very close in age. Certain celebs are like brothers and sisters to me; this is probably due to my lifelong love of the entertainment industry.
 

Lily Sawyer

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I have deopression in the family so know how tough this can be. Luckily i don't seem so afflicted as my father who had it rather specially in the darker months. Then it was reading and wine that help. I've had bad experience, last spring i actually, damned everything, didn't eat much, didn't wash either clouds or myselfes and didn't pay bills. Didn't have a work either at that point. Never heard somneone to tell me to end thou. But since he told me to ignoire bills it wasn't exactly a successconcept. I somehow got out of it after at for the first daring to mention it to a friend. He took it serious but just being able to talk to someone made it slowly go away. Not im paying the (sigh...) bills and doing the rest too, Got the find the time for making the apartment see decent again. Otherwise i'm OK now. Got the job in January doing what im good at (and somethings that are not my faves but a man gotta do what man gotta do, right?) And the I meet yo guys... I'm not the obly one thats reads and loves King. First time i been around such a big gathering of pewople who can discuss different oppinions withot getting too heated. Thanks Bunch.
You're a really nice guy and I'm glad you're here. :)
 

Lily Sawyer

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If a person has a broken leg, they get it fixed. Same thing for any emotional disorder. If it's broken, get it fixed. That's how I think the world should look at mental and emotional problems. Sadly, I don't think we're there yet.

But hang on a sec....this is *exactly* how I feel about mental and emotional problems. I must be in the minority. The thing is, I become very impatient with mental problems. They don't heal as quickly as a broken leg or surgery.

I've been through some garden-variety depressions. I have my dark side. I'm glad I am able to tell myself that I will pull through.
 

AchtungBaby

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Thanks for creating this thread. :)

I've been thinking a lot about Robin Williams and his suicide lately. I am a big fan of many of his movies, and the fact that it's suicide just... I dunno. A favorite author of mine, Ned Vizzini, also killed himself a while back and these two deaths have affected me quite a bit.

As for me? Well, I've struggled with depression for five years now, which all began with a couple of back-to-back traumatic incidents I've never shared here because... Well,I dunno. I'm a pretty shy and private person I suppose? I've dealt with self-hatred for a long time. I've had to see a couple of doctors, and I currently take depression and anxiety meds. It's a battle. I thought it'd stop after high school but college hasn't really been much better. I stress and worry way too much. I just can't help it. Bleh. And I think about how I'm only 18 but I don't feel happy like other 18 year olds, ya know? But it's life and we all go through it. Everything will be fine. :)

Whoa. Sorry SK fam. Didn't mean to go all personal! Ha
 

FlakeNoir

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Thanks for creating this thread. :)

I've been thinking a lot about Robin Williams and his suicide lately. I am a big fan of many of his movies, and the fact that it's suicide just... I dunno. A favorite author of mine, Ned Vizzini, also killed himself a while back and these two deaths have affected me quite a bit.

As for me? Well, I've struggled with depression for five years now, which all began with a couple of back-to-back traumatic incidents I've never shared here because... Well,I dunno. I'm a pretty shy and private person I suppose? I've dealt with self-hatred for a long time. I've had to see a couple of doctors, and I currently take depression and anxiety meds. It's a battle. I thought it'd stop after high school but college hasn't really been much better. I stress and worry way too much. I just can't help it. Bleh. And I think about how I'm only 18 but I don't feel happy like other 18 year olds, ya know? But it's life and we all go through it. Everything will be fine. :)

Whoa. Sorry SK fam. Didn't mean to go all personal! Ha
((( AchtungBaby ))) Please keep talking to people as you need to. xox
 

Lina

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Thank you for this thread.

I also thought a lot about Robin's death yesterday. I think how awful it is that celebrities are often so unhappy that they come to committing a suicide... It seems they have enough money, friends, fans to get over with any situation. But somehow sometimes this ends the way it ended for Robin. I am very sorry for him, this is a big loss. RIP, Robin Williams.

And as for depressions... I also suffered one this year, actually June and July were almost the worst months for me. Nothing was right, my work is awful, I cried so much because of it this summer, I have also had problems with health that always stand in my way, I also have family issues. Last year I lost a lot friends whom I considered the best. It all made me completely broken. I remember I was not eating most of the time, I just had no desire to eat anything, I did not want to watch any movie, to even listen to music... I tried to go to bed at night as early as I could... Well, that was horrible all I can say. Nothing to look forward to, nothing to live for, no sense in waking up in the morning. Once I even told my friend I did not want to live any more and he said I was selfish to think this way, as I do not think about other people who surround me (back then I did not know that in a month my life would change and this friend will become my boyfriend). And so back then I did not care about those words, I was feeling awful and that was the only thing that mattered. And I did not want to take any medicine, as I was still thinking I was strong enough to cope with it by myself.

Well... For me it's over now, I am finally feeling happy and I am only scared this depression may happen again. But for now I see there is no sense in killing yourself. there are really people who care and a person can cope with almost any problem in the life. It's very important that this person who suffers a depression have support of friends, relatives... I believe that is the only way to save such a person, no doctor can help here if the person doesn't feel loved.
 

hipmamajen

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Depression lies to you, and tells you that no one will understand, or that no one will care. But it's not true. And sometimes it's very difficult to even know that it's depression you're dealing with.

Even though I had experienced a life-interrupting episode in my youth (like I mentioned earlier) I still didn't recognize it when it came around again. My life was going well, I was blessed and grateful for everything. But, I would often wake up in the morning and my first thought would be, "Ugh, again? I can't do this. I don't want to be me today." Since everything looked good from the outside, happy marriage healthy kids etc, I never considered that it was depression. I honestly thought was I was just a lazy a$$, crabby old lady with a lack of moral fortitude.

I have chronic pain issues, and I thought a lot of my "bad attitude" was because I just didn't feel physically well most of the time.

When I got pregnant with Tor, some of the medications I'd been taking for my fibromyalgia and migraines weren't safe. I had to switch some with replacements, and dump others entirely for the duration. One of the medications I started on was a rather common antidepressant, which I didn't need because I was depressed (of course not! I just didn't want to be me, that's totally different) but because it helps with sleep issues and nerve pain.

Suddenly, after a couple of weeks on this new medication, I started waking up with a desire to get out of bed and do things! I still hurt all the time, but I had some ambitions each day, and I enjoyed things I hadn't enjoyed for a long time. I hadn't even noticed that I missed these things. My world was smaller and grayer because of the pain, and I'd thought it was all part of the same territory.

I call it my "give a d@mn." I finally had some "give a d@mn" back!

Depression isn't just sadness. It's fatigue, boredom, insomnia, irritability, loss of enjoyment of things that used to be fun, and hopelessness, (and more!) all shrouded in confusion and self-blame. It's a tremendous amount of personal inertia, right when you really need that extra boost to find the treatment that will help.

I compare it to having a car with no gas and flat tires. Everyone else has cars that are zipping along, and you're on the shoulder of the highway pushing yours. You don't even realize you're pushing your car. I always just assumed my car was like everyone else's, but they just managed theirs better.

For me, medication has been the answer. It helped me inflate my tires and gas up my ride. It didn't fix everything, but it's such a huge improvement that I don't see myself going back.

Sending love to all.
 

Sigmund

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Good evening.

I beg your pardon.

If you have never been clinically depressed (not *garden-variety depression*)...you have NO idea what's it's like.

Frick.

I earned a M.S. in Counseling Psychology. And I had a practice. I good one if I may so bold. BUT... it's different. Being educated and living it...are two different matters.

May I give you an example?

*Intrusive thoughts* That is one of many, many effects of depression. But, until you have lived it...you have no idea.

(You all know my story.)

I would be at work at my computer writing up BMP's...and...in my mind eye... I would see my darling husband... having a clonic-tonic seizure. (A really ugly sight.) It just kept going in a loop.

I would *snap* out of it and notice an hour had passed. It was he!!.

I'm gonna shut up now. But, PLEASE, do not pass judgement on others that are afflicted. Maybe, just maybe...thank the powers that be...you or yours are not damned by depression.

Peace.