Doctor to pay $500,000 to sedated patient.

[Sigmund]

Good morning.

This was not cool. A man accidentally records his colonoscopy and hears the anesthesiologist making awful comments about him.

'After five minutes of talking to you in pre-op,I wanted to punch you in the face and man you up a little bit.'

Things got worse when an assistant pointed out a rash on the man's body and Ingham said if she touched it she might get 'some syphilis on your arm or something.'

She wrote a false diagnosis, called him a re*t*** and other things. Lots of other things.

And it seems no one in the room tried to stop her or reported her conduct.

This is scary. You are sedated and vulnerable. (Even under sedation, could you hear this and *know* what was going on?)

The audio is in the article but it's sort of ugly to hear.

Virginia man wins $500,000 after recording doctors mocking him in surgery | Daily Mail Online

 

[PatInTheHat]

No surprise here.
When Mama fractured a vertibrae the second time, and spent almost a month in two hospitals waiting to get what was supposed to be a simple procedure, and getting more messed up in the process, they they like to call 'em, "protocols", almost everyone involved with her case talked over her like she was an eggplant.
She was old, feeble, and did suffer from vascular dementia, but she was fully aware of what people said, understood completely what it was they were saying or asking, and no matter how many times, which was every time, I would explain this, it never hardly took.
Stripping every ounce of dignity from a human being is the de facto standard "protocol" in the majority of our medical industrial complex.
And while understandable in many procedures where a personal 'embarassment' can't be helped in order for a treatment or test to be done, that's the primary excuse for excessively rude substandard human contact, to people in a time when they need it the most...it's protocol, and the behavior you brought up, sig, shows how those 'protocols', are now actually part of that culture.

Had a doctor, an internist, who was explaining to me some of the bad treatment Mama had gotten at what was really a billing facility disguised as a rehab facility, and he was just about ready to say, 'It's their protocol...', when I stopped him, just said, "Stop it righ now doc!", he did, looked at me curious like.
Then had to warn him, "If I hear the word protocol One More Time, I'm gonna start punching people in the throat"...took just a second or two but he found his mental thesaurus, came up with something that wasn't protocol, and not that it made any difference, but it sure felt like a momentary win.
Protocols, mountains of butt covering, not "practicing the art" of anything, "protocols", are the root of the problem as I see it, saw it, experienced it...it ain't medicine, it's just meat mechanics.

 

[Dana Jean]

No surprise here.
When Mama fractured a vertibrae the second time, and spent almost a month in two hospitals waiting to get what was supposed to be a simple procedure, and getting more messed up in the process, they they like to call 'em, "protocols", almost everyone involved with her case talked over her like she was an eggplant.
She was old, feeble, and did suffer from vascular dementia, but she was fully aware of what people said, understood completely what it was they were saying or asking, and no matter how many times, which was every time, I would explain this, it never hardly took.
Stripping every ounce of dignity from a human being is the de facto standard "protocol" in the majority of our medical industrial complex.
And while understandable in many procedures where a personal 'embarassment' can't be helped in order for a treatment or test to be done, that's the primary excuse for excessively rude substandard human contact, to people in a time when they need it the most...it's protocol, and the behavior you brought up, sig, shows how those 'protocols', are now actually part of that culture.

Had a doctor, an internist, who was explaining to me some of the bad treatment Mama had gotten at what was really a billing facility disguised as a rehab facility, and he was just about ready to say, 'It's their protocol...', when I stopped him, just said, "Stop it righ now doc!", he did, looked at me curious like.
Then had to warn him, "If I hear the word protocol One More Time, I'm gonna start punching people in the throat"...took just a second or two but he found his mental thesaurus, came up with something that wasn't protocol, and not that it made any difference, but it sure felt like a momentary win.
Protocols, mountains of butt covering, not "practicing the art" of anything, "protocols", are the root of the problem as I see it, saw it, experienced it...it ain't medicine, it's just meat mechanics.

THis breaks my heart. Breaks. My. Heart. I am so sorry she was treated this way, and you. I know how fragile my mom was during her illness and I tell you what, people didn't mess with me. I have a hard time standing up for myself, but I will friggin' take you down if you mess with someone I care about. I wasn't aggressive by any means, but I made it very clear I was on top of things.

Damn callous people.

 

[pegasus216]

Damn! Makes me wonder what was going on during my surgeries..

 

[Dana Jean]

Good morning.

This was not cool. A man accidentally records his colonoscopy and hears the anesthesiologist making awful comments about him.

'After five minutes of talking to you in pre-op,I wanted to punch you in the face and man you up a little bit.'

Things got worse when an assistant pointed out a rash on the man's body and Ingham said if she touched it she might get 'some syphilis on your arm or something.'

She wrote a false diagnosis, called him a re*t*** and other things. Lots of other things.

And it seems no one in the room tried to stop her or reported her conduct.

This is scary. You are sedated and vulnerable. (Even under sedation, could you hear this and *know* what was going on?)

The audio is in the article but it's sort of ugly to hear.

Virginia man wins $500,000 after recording doctors mocking him in surgery | Daily Mail Online

This is super smart of this guy. I bet more people start doing this now.

 

[PatInTheHat]

THis breaks my heart. Breaks. My. Heart. I am so sorry she was treated this way, and you. I know how fragile my mom was during her illness and I tell you what, people didn't mess with me. I have a hard time standing up for myself, but I will friggin' take you down if you mess with someone I care about. I wasn't aggressive by any means, but I made it very clear I was on top of things.

Damn callous people.

Thanks DJ, but ya know the things they did to her, the things they put her through for no reason, the ever changing excuses for performing badly and making her worse than when she arrived, the poorer condition she was in when I got her home and what I had to do and fix it as best I could, are things I don't think I'm even close to writing down here, I'm still traumatized by it all.
And almost all of it because of "protocols", treating a woman in her 90's, with a myriad of problems, as if she were say, me or you.
They get payef regardless of any outcome because they supposidly practice that 'art of medicine', but that would imply each individual is its own 'canvas', but the near never ending use of 'protocol',that changes that dynamic, the very dynamic they base their livelyhood on...they should only get performance pay in this system they've deliberetly created is my opinion, then let's see how each individual gets treated, and treated.

 

[Dana Jean]

Thanks DJ, but ya know the things they did to her, the things they put her through for no reason, the ever changing excuses for performing badly and making her worse than when she arrived, the poorer condition she was in when I got her home and what I had to do and fix it as best I could, are things I don't think I'm even close to writing down here, I'm still traumatized by it all.
And almost all of it because of "protocols", treating a woman in her 90's, with a myriad of problems, as if she were say, me or you.
They get payef regardless of any outcome because they supposidly practice that 'art of medicine', but that would imply each individual is its own 'canvas', but the near never ending use of 'protocol',that changes that dynamic, the very dynamic they base their livelyhood on...they should only get performance pay in this system they've deliberetly created is my opinion, then let's see how each individual gets treated, and treated.

I'm right there with you. My mom was dying and they were insisting on all these really expensive tests to get that last drop of medicare money before she kicked it. And of course, I was so desperately trying to save her, to selfishly keep her, that I was willing to go along with them. Of course, she was 20 years younger than your momma, but still. She was dying. Nothing was going to change that. They knew it.

It is traumatizing.

and edited to say: Hope is a good thing someone once said, but false hope is cruel.

 

[Spideyman]

I stood by as Patrick endured the "treatments" of his mama. The "protocols", the "practicing" of medicine on the elderly. I watched it with my mom. The medical attitude towards elderly- decisions made on the basis of "the patients worth to society". What could they still contribute? Geriatric care has to change. The do no harm part of the professional oath needs to be re learned. Each patient is an individual and not all "protocols" fit each patient. What happens when an elderly person doesn't have the son or daughter to watch over their care? Just my opinion...................

 

[Dana Jean]

I stood by as Patrick endured the "treatments" of his mama. The "protocols", the "practicing" of medicine on the elderly. I watched it with my mom. The medical attitude towards elderly- decisions made on the basis of "the patients worth to society". What could they still contribute? Geriatric care has to change. The do no harm part of the professional oath needs to be re learned. Each patient is an individual and not all "protocols" fit each patient. What happens when an elderly person doesn't have the son or daughter to watch over their care? Just my opinion...................

Exactly! What happens to those who don't really have an advocate? And not a hospital appointed one either.

 

[PatInTheHat]

Oh that's it in a nutshell, damned if you do damned if you don't, with last trip to the hospital I was just trying to get her home, where she wanted to die surrounded by the things she loved, like I promised, but I failed, mostly listening to the docs even though deep, or not so deep, I knew better...almost got ber home though, she didn't have an ounce of quit in her, never did, not even til the very end, she died in my arms, still wanting to go home with me.
And they got paid, paid following protocol, the one that took her off blood thinners for a procedure, blood thinners she needed to stay alive, the ones she had to have because of a procedure with her back that went south and gave her bad arithmya the year before, because of a protocol...for thirty years everybody thought her poor little sickly heart, which was actually a dynamo, and in so many ways, was what would kill her, but she stroked out, thanks protocols, for making a liar out of me.

 

[Moderator]

Oh that's it in a nutshell, damned if you do damned if you don't, with last trip to the hospital I was just trying to get her home, where she wanted to die surrounded by the things she loved, like I promised, but I failed, mostly listening to the docs even though deep, or not so deep, I knew better...almost got ber home though, she didn't have an ounce of quit in her, never did, not even til the very end, she died in my arms, still wanting to go home with me.
And they got paid, paid following protocol, the one that took her off blood thinners for a procedure, blood thinners she needed to stay alive, the ones she had to have because of a procedure with her back that went south and gave her bad arithmya the year before, because of a protocol...for thirty years everybody thought her poor little sickly heart, which was actually a dynamo, and in so many ways, was what would kill her, but she stroked out, thanks protocols, for making a liar out of me.

(((PITH and Mama)))

 

[Spideyman]

PatInTheHat -- you know how I feel. You are in no way a liar. Your mama knew/knows that. You did what you could/ fate was not on your side. You were there 100%. your control was limited.

 

[Dana Jean]

Your momma was so damn lucky to have you Patrick. You remember that.

 

[PatInTheHat]

Thanks y'all, but I could have done more, just didn't think of any of it til much too late.
But here's the thing, I was pretty much a mental mess at that point, and that was definitely taken advantage of, not saying, or even implying, that it was intentional, but I was, it's ingrained in the culture of The Great American Medical Industrial Complex.
And to follow Spidey's post, baby boomers best get on track with where the best geriatric care hospitals are in their area, 'cause my thinkin, most suck big time.
Mama's did, and I had no choice but to have her took to the system she went to, compliments of that system buying out and taking over my areas entire hospital complex system, and special thanks to Blue Cross Blue Shield..any executive of either of these outfits best tread lightly around me if they're unfortunetly ever introduced, but I'm pretty sure they're covered wherever they might want an ambulance to transport them.

 

[pegasus216]

Pat, I am so sorry you went through all that. My heart goes out to you.

Did that woman get fired for her behavior? The one in the article I mean.

 

[Sigmund]

PatInTheHat

I'm so sorry sir. Sorry for all Mama and you had to endure. I understand you might think you coulda, shoulda done more but...it's difficult to get everything in your head correctly. Head is already crowded with pain, dread, sorrow AND on top of that you have to try and figure out what to do next, in what order, what to watch for, how to FIX things... even in the best of times you just can't get it all *right*

>>>BIG HUGS<<<

 

[staropeace]

Sorry my dear Pat. You were a good son to your mama, we all can see that. I am sorry that the medical profession can be so casually cruel about the aged. It is not right....respect for elders seems to have been lost in the western world.

 

[GNTLGNT]

Thanks y'all, but I could have done more, just didn't think of any of it til much too late.
But here's the thing, I was pretty much a mental mess at that point, and that was definitely taken advantage of, not saying, or even implying, that it was intentional, but I was, it's ingrained in the culture of The Great American Medical Industrial Complex.
And to follow Spidey's post, baby boomers best get on track with where the best geriatric care hospitals are in their area, 'cause my thinkin, most suck big time.
Mama's did, and I had no choice but to have her took to the system she went to, compliments of that system buying out and taking over my areas entire hospital complex system, and special thanks to Blue Cross Blue Shield..any executive of either of these outfits best tread lightly around me if they're unfortunetly ever introduced, but I'm pretty sure they're covered wherever they might want an ambulance to transport them.

...my brother-not all of us in Healthcare are uncaring asshats....

 

[GNTLGNT]

...the lawsuit should be a winner, the idiot should lose her AND license...and the poor fella should be allowed to shove a camera up HER butt without conscious sedation...

 

[PatInTheHat]

...my brother-not all of us in Healthcare are uncaring asshats....

Oh don

...my brother-not all of us in Healthcare are uncaring asshats....

Oh don't I know it, and if wasn' t for y'all nursing professional you might very well have caught my mug on the six o'clock news, and you guys are the one's stuck with following protocols.
I call out the system, and so very many doctors, and yeah a few nurses, most often the one's what wear the high dollar Italian dress shoes and carry very important papers like they're a grail, the one's that promote the system we are all subject, and subjected to.
Again, baby boomers best get hip, quality hospital geriatric care, from my experience, and that was in a highly regarded Catholic system, St. Elizabeth in Northern Ky, it's practically nonexsistant...do your geezer care homework is what I'm sayin', that is if you plan to make it to Supreme Geezermaster anyway.