The Walking Dead ***please use SPOILER tags***

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skimom2

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She wasn't that important, though. Maybe she could have been, maybe they could have made people care about her more (again), but only by expanding her story more. As it stands, she was on the periphery, had a bit of story in the ep with Daryl, then didn't surface again until the hospital ep. That alone, with occasional scenes in later eps, really wasn't enough to make her interesting.
For me, the impact of Beth's demise didn't come from the event itself, but from Maggie's reaction to it since she's had some character development (in the past, granted). Beth was never more than a bag of bones.

I agree there. And now they're doing it to Maggie and Glenn, which leads me to believe they're both goners--one this season, one early next. If they have the cojones to do it.
 

skimom2

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Not Glenn!
I like him, but they've effectively done zero with either him or Maggie this season. And they'd better do something with Tara or just kill her already. She's a pleasant enough girl, but a blank as far as character. It would be interesting if they took the Carol/Lori/Rick storyline from the comics and did it with Glenn/Maggie/Tara, IMHO.
 

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I liked Beth. Her actions never put anyone at risk. She was a bit of a tag-a-long character but no more so than other characters have become. I think what bothered me most about her was the constant look of surprise on her face - her expression reminded me of Reba the anger management doll. The expression seems to be normal for Emily though lol. I don't think Beth's death had anything to do with the storyline... Emily is probably going on tour to promote her new album. I think Beth actually understood and somewhat accepted Dawn's point of view until a reason was needed for her demise.

Michonne and Carl's actions were out of character. Before this season, they would never have put Judith's safety at risk to save that dumb azz preacher.
Michonne wouldn't have. Carl is all like "We still have to save people, that's still who we have to be." Michonne would have been like "Sucks to be you, dude."
 

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She wasn't that important, though. Maybe she could have been, maybe they could have made people care about her more (again), but only by expanding her story more. As it stands, she was on the periphery, had a bit of story in the ep with Daryl, then didn't surface again until the hospital ep. That alone, with occasional scenes in later eps, really wasn't enough to make her interesting.
For me, the impact of Beth's demise didn't come from the event itself, but from Maggie's reaction to it since she's had some character development (in the past, granted). Beth was never more than a bag of bones.

She was never one of the core characters, though the show did a decent job building her up this season. Her solo episode was pretty good and her acting chops were good enough to make her compelling. One can argue that her choice to stab Dawn was not well thought out and was a case of bad writing.
 

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I think that people tend to forget the second season where she was ready and trying to kill herself..she seemed to be kinda submissive after that..but she did a good job in her portrayal of the character, and it was pretty clear that she needed to grieve, it was tough watching her cry on the after show.. I just wonder who's next..
 
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How can you tell what race someone is with regards to walker? I know I saw the first bearded zombie this season.

I hadn't actually noticed it myself. I read a couple reviews that mentioned it. I didn't know Atlanta's population was 51 percent Black either until I read the reviews. I don't expect all that much realism in zombie appocolyptic films lol.
 

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She was never one of the core characters, though the show did a decent job building her up this season. Her solo episode was pretty good and her acting chops were good enough to make her compelling. One can argue that her choice to stab Dawn was not well thought out and was a case of bad writing.

Decent, yeah, but they could have done more in the back half and capped the arc off there, without necessarily leaving it for the finale.
As I said at the time, I quite liked the ep itself. I just feel like they wasted it in the mid-season finale.
Another way to 'shock' the audience? Well, we were all expecting someone to go out, right? So here's the surprise: no one dies. The finale scene could have been a cliffhanger instead - maybe have ol' Limping Gabriel lead the walkers back to the church at that point, then place the kiddiewinks in peril with Michonne and Gabriel looking on, afraid. Roll titles. Suck on that for a couple of months, people.
That might have allowed for more to come out about the folks at the hospital (fleshing out characters, making us see them more sympathetically, and so on) in the penultimate ep, with the mid-season finale itself seeing Rick and co on what was their part of the story in the penultimate ep.
Fast forward to February, and Carl and Judith could have been saved (or not) by Gabriel Doing What Needs To Be Done. A bit of redemption, a way in with Rick upon their return (to be betrayed at a point down the road? Mebbe), and then we're back to see what's what in the Big Smoke.
Just MO of course, but the story wouldn't suffer for characters being fleshed out a little more and dynamics established. Otherwise it's just 2D Baddies in an endless stream, and we all know it wouldn't be like that at the end of the world (as we know it). There still has to be a motivation. The Claimers were a-holes because that's how they were before the ZA; fine. But the Termites? There wasn't enough about them and now I think there won't be any more. It'll be the same with the hospital mob, then we'll roll on to the next crew, and the next. Nothing wrong with that, as long as it's remembered that they are still people, with motives and (possibly) agendas, and while Our Group has internal dynamics, so will every other group out there. These can be shown. Tension can be better and more easily generated. We, the audience, can even be made to feel for these folks and question our sympathy with Rick and co when the brown stuff hits the fan (as it will). What could be more tragic for both groups than there being shared ideals, which we are privy to but that never get aired, that are lost in a conflict because someone does or says something stupid?

Basically, what they're doing is good, but it could be even better. (IMO, and we all have our own ideas, so...)
 

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I hadn't actually noticed it myself. I read a couple reviews that mentioned it. I didn't know Atlanta's population was 51 percent Black either until I read the reviews. I don't expect all that much realism in zombie appocolyptic films lol.

There've been some black walkers. Maybe not 51%, but then we're not just looking at the population of Atlanta. What's the mix for the city plus, say, 80 miles radius?
In any case, it seems the walkers are all a funny grey-green colour, so everyone's the same after the zombie apocalypse. ;)
 

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Decent, yeah, but they could have done more in the back half and capped the arc off there, without necessarily leaving it for the finale.
As I said at the time, I quite liked the ep itself. I just feel like they wasted it in the mid-season finale.
Another way to 'shock' the audience? Well, we were all expecting someone to go out, right? So here's the surprise: no one dies. The finale scene could have been a cliffhanger instead - maybe have ol' Limping Gabriel lead the walkers back to the church at that point, then place the kiddiewinks in peril with Michonne and Gabriel looking on, afraid. Roll titles. Suck on that for a couple of months, people.
That might have allowed for more to come out about the folks at the hospital (fleshing out characters, making us see them more sympathetically, and so on) in the penultimate ep, with the mid-season finale itself seeing Rick and co on what was their part of the story in the penultimate ep.
Fast forward to February, and Carl and Judith could have been saved (or not) by Gabriel Doing What Needs To Be Done. A bit of redemption, a way in with Rick upon their return (to be betrayed at a point down the road? Mebbe), and then we're back to see what's what in the Big Smoke.
Just MO of course, but the story wouldn't suffer for characters being fleshed out a little more and dynamics established. Otherwise it's just 2D Baddies in an endless stream, and we all know it wouldn't be like that at the end of the world (as we know it). There still has to be a motivation. The Claimers were a-holes because that's how they were before the ZA; fine. But the Termites? There wasn't enough about them and now I think there won't be any more. It'll be the same with the hospital mob, then we'll roll on to the next crew, and the next. Nothing wrong with that, as long as it's remembered that they are still people, with motives and (possibly) agendas, and while Our Group has internal dynamics, so will every other group out there. These can be shown. Tension can be better and more easily generated. We, the audience, can even be made to feel for these folks and question our sympathy with Rick and co when the brown stuff hits the fan (as it will). What could be more tragic for both groups than there being shared ideals, which we are privy to but that never get aired, that are lost in a conflict because someone does or says something stupid?

Basically, what they're doing is good, but it could be even better. (IMO, and we all have our own ideas, so...)

Spoken like a writer :) And you're exactly right: it could be better.

I'm wondering if this is another example of corporate storytelling, i.e., AMC has gotten involved even more with rushing them into big 'scenes'. You have to admit, whenever they try to take an ep to flesh out characters a great number of people (I call them 'idiots') moan about the ep being slow or boring. Season two was great for establishing relationships and who these people are, but a lot of what I've seen is bitching about it.
 

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Spoken like a writer :) And you're exactly right: it could be better.

I'm wondering if this is another example of corporate storytelling, i.e., AMC has gotten involved even more with rushing them into big 'scenes'. You have to admit, whenever they try to take an ep to flesh out characters a great number of people (I call them 'idiots') moan about the ep being slow or boring. Season two was great for establishing relationships and who these people are, but a lot of what I've seen is bitching about it.
I think people have become used to (and now expect) huge shock-like episodes. Part of what we love about The Dead is the hard-hitting nature of the show. When I first saw it, I couldn't believe that they actually let this stuff on TV, man, it was raw and in your face.
Personally, I like the character building episodes and would much rather them spend some decent time (and effort) on the long-term storyline, than on whether the next two episodes will pull the crowds.