Coronavirus

[wolfphoenix]

Appointments. It's a thing.

The possible other downside, though, is that you could be tested negative but if you're not truly practicing social distancing, you could get infected later so how many times do you test? Until you get it? Until the curve has truly flattened out? Would people get a false sense of security after stay in place measures have been lifted? Lots of unknowns right now but benefits of testing are there.

I understand Ms.M, but appointments are not a thing right now.
I still think the more people get out and unnecessarily expose themselves to other people is not a good idea.
Clinics and doctors offices have had people drive up for curb side testing.
I feel sorry for the exhausted doctors/nurses/lab techs who have standing out there tending to them.
It would be good if everyone was tested.
Maybe they will be able to get quick result tests out in the mail at some point.
But by then, the virus will have more than likely moved on.
As the weather heats up, and the sun is out more and stronger, the better the virus dwindles.
That's according the epidemiologists and virologists.
One good thing Dallas has done, is having taken a convention center and are setting it up as a hospital in case it's needed.

 

[Edward John]

Let's be real. Every place that isn't testing everyone is not reporting actual numbers. The experts know that. I'm not saying that China hasn't been intentionally misrepresenting it as that's their usual MO about everything and we all know that. But if what we're really worried about is how widespread it is, no one really knows because there are so many people out there who are positive but haven't, and may never, be tested to confirm. Or for that matter, who may have died as a result of COVID but that didn't get reported and cause of death was attributed to something else because the medial personnel weren't looking/testing for it.

I think there will probably be a sizable amount of people who do get infected but dismiss it as a cold, and if they are younger they probably wouldn't recognise it as being any worse than a typical bad flu.

 

[Edward John]

I understand Ms.M, but appointments are not a thing right now.
I still think the more people get out and unnecessarily expose themselves to other people is not a good idea.
Clinics and doctors offices have had people drive up for curb side testing.
I feel sorry for the exhausted doctors/nurses/lab techs who have standing out there tending to them.
It would be good if everyone was tested.
Maybe they will be able to get quick result tests out in the mail at some point.
But by then, the virus will have more than likely moved on.
As the weather heats up, and the sun is out more and stronger, the better the virus dwindles.
That's according the epidemiologists and virologists.
One good thing Dallas has done, is having taken a convention center and are setting it up as a hospital in case it's needed.

On a random note, I have a Ted Nugent live album recorded in Dallas.

 

[Moderator]

I understand Ms.M, but appointments are not a thing right now.
I still think the more people get out and unnecessarily expose themselves to other people is not a good idea.
Clinics and doctors offices have had people drive up for curb side testing.
I feel sorry for the exhausted doctors/nurses/lab techs who have standing out there tending to them.
It would be good if everyone was tested.
Maybe they will be able to get quick result tests out in the mail at some point.
But by then, the virus will have more than likely moved on.
As the weather heats up, and the sun is out more and stronger, the better the virus dwindles.
That's according the epidemiologists and virologists.
One good thing Dallas has done, is having taken a convention center and are setting it up as a hospital in case it's needed.

That doesn't mean that they couldn't begin testing via appointment if they're opening things up to testing everyone. And being inside your own car to do the testing isn't going to expose a large number of people as opposed to having them standing around together. I don't think any testing site would allow that.

Completely agree about restricting the numbers of people who are out and about continuing with their lives as though nothing is different. Typical human nature where too many people aren't doing what the government is suggesting and then get upset when the government has to step things up and make it official with consequences enforced in order to protect the majority of the population.

They're hoping warmer weather will slow things down, but even the CDC admits they don't know enough about the virus to say with certainty that will be the case. It sure isn't slowing things down here in sunny Arizona. Temperatures have been steadily rising but so have the reported confirmed cases. According to the AZ Dept. of Health site, there were 46 confirmed cases March 8th and now there are 1,413 and 29 deaths. We'll see if things start reversing that trend with the stay at home mandate but there haven't been enough actual restrictions put in place to accomplish that IMO. Beauty and nail salons are still considered an "essential" business. Seriously?!

 

[DiO'Bolic]

The coronavirus is not static. You could test negative today and positive tomorrow. Do we test everyone, every day, forevermore? Unfeasible as we don't have the resources to do that. Smarter testing might make more sense then more testing. I think priorities of testing should go to areas hardest hit, areas with increasing cases, people who come into contact with the infected, and the elderly and those with conditions which make contracting the virus potentially life threatening.

 

[Edward John]

The coronavirus is not static. You could test negative today and positive tomorrow. Do we test everyone, every day, forevermore? Unfeasible as we don't have the resources to do that. Smarter testing might make more sense then more testing. I think priorities of testing should go to areas hardest hit, areas with increasing cases, people who come into contact with the infected, and the elderly and those with conditions which make contracting the virus potentially life threatening.

 

[Moderator]

The coronavirus is not static. You could test negative today and positive tomorrow. Do we test everyone, every day, forevermore? Unfeasible as we don't have the resources to do that. Smarter testing might make more sense then more testing. I think priorities of testing should go to areas hardest hit, areas with increasing cases, people who come into contact with the infected, and the elderly and those with conditions which make contracting the virus potentially life threatening.

Or here's a thought, do what you suggested first while supplies of tests are not where they need to be because that's the right priority but ALSO start making more test kits so they would be able to test everyone. I'd already mentioned above testing negative but later testing positive. If people are really following the stay at home mandates, that will become less of a problem as they wouldn't be out to expose themselves. I'm not saying it would be off the table as people are still getting out to get groceries, etc. but at least we'd be significantly reducing the chances by having a larger number of the population staying at home.

 

[Edward John]

The coronavirus reminds me of the British actions at the Battle of the Somme. The British used a barrage of artillary and the aftermath smoke to conceal their troops from the German trenches until it was too late for them to make an effective defence. Like the Germans at the final stages of The Somme, you cannot fight an enemy that is concealed with a layer of smoke.

 

[wolfphoenix]

There are good points here all around.
I'm going to go make some more coffee,
and keep my opinions about the CDC, and the rest of my cornbread to myself.

 

[DiO'Bolic]

Yes, guidelines help. But the coronavirus, like evil, will find a way to thrive. Do we spend every moment of every day cleaning and disinfecting everything? Do you touch your mail? How many people touched those vegetables in the grocery store you bought and every single product you purchase or come in contact with? Do other people live with you? If so, do you know what they’ve potentially come in contact with, do you disinfect the toilet seat every trip, the faucets, the dishwasher, the washer and dryer, doorknobs, the everything? Guidelines are good but unfortunately I fear everyone will get it eventually. The goal right now is merely to flatten the curve and guidelines/testing help but they won’t stop you from getting the coronavirus.

 

[cat in a bag]

Campbell County COVID-19 count up to 5

This is an article in yesterday's local paper. A woman was tested here. And then she traveled out of state.

Whaaaatttt???

Where did she travel? How many people did she expose along the way? Did she have permission to travel? (I would guess not) And will she now be "double" counted in that state's totals?

I just don't understand people's stupidity.

 

[Dana Jean]

Yes, guidelines help. But the coronavirus, like evil, will find a way to thrive. Do we spend every moment of every day cleaning and disinfecting everything? Do you touch your mail? How many people touched those vegetables in the grocery store you bought and every single product you purchase or come in contact with? Do other people live with you? If so, do you know what they’ve potentially come in contact with, do you disinfect the toilet seat every trip, the faucets, the dishwasher, the washer and dryer, doorknobs, the everything? Guidelines are good but unfortunately I fear everyone will get it eventually. The goal right now is merely to flatten the curve and guidelines/testing help but they won’t stop you from getting the coronavirus.

Yes. I do it all of that. I wipe down my car and that includes seats where nasty grocery bags sat. The mailbox, the mail all that you said plus more. How many hands touched that soup can? All my groceries get wiped down and washed before they go into my house. Yes, I stand in my garage and clean every thing. I usually use my own recycle bags, but they say that's not best right now, so I use their bags. But those bags are being touched. Those bags are sitting in a grocery cart that every single bar or piece of plastic hasn't been wiped down and children are plonked down in those carts with snotty noses and dirty shoes. I wipe down my purse. I wipe down the gas pump screens, buttons and handle. Any switch, knob, handle gets wiped down.

if we go out into the world and come back in, my clothes immediately go in the washer and I take a shower.

Sounds ridiculous to you, but I am high risk. I have a life threatening underlying condition and I'm going to do my part to reduce my risk and the risk to other people I love. And I have a sense of community. It's not all about me and my needs. I have to step up and be my brother's keeper.

Anything that comes from outside my house is cleaned before coming in my house. Period.

I hope more people care enough about themselves and their communities to think and care and do the right thing. Obviously they won't. But when they start losing people they care about, their tune will change.

 

[DiO'Bolic]

Yes. I do it all of that. I wipe down my car and that includes seats where nasty grocery bags sat. The mailbox, the mail all that you said plus more. How many hands touched that soup can? All my groceries get wiped down and washed before they go into my house. Yes, I stand in my garage and clean every thing. I usually use my own recycle bags, but they say that's not best right now, so I use their bags. But those bags are being touched. Those bags are sitting in a grocery cart that every single bar or piece of plastic hasn't been wiped down and children are plonked down in those carts with snotty noses and dirty shoes. I wipe down my purse. I wipe down the gas pump screens, buttons and handle. Any switch, knob, handle gets wiped down if we go out into the world and come back in. My clothes immediately go in the washer and I take a shower.

Sounds ridiculous to you, but I am high risk. I have a life threatening underlying condition and I'm going to do my part to reduce my risk and the risk to other people I love. And I have a sense of community. It's not all about me and my needs. I have to step up and be my brother's keeper.

Anything that comes from outside my house is cleaned before coming in my house. Period.

I hope more people care enough about themselves and their communities to think and care and do the right thing. Obviously they won't. But when they start losing people they care about, their tune will change.

You wouldn't believe the number of cars with license plates from NY and NJ I see on the road everyday here in PA. We have a stay at home and shelter indoors across the entire state order, but nothing about keeping people from NY and NJ, which are hotbeds for the coronavirus, from coming in and quarantining themselves if they come here. Too many people don't care and therefore everyone will get it.

 

[Dana Jean]

You wouldn't believe the number of cars with license plates from NY and NJ I see on the road everyday here in PA. We have a stay at home and shelter indoors across the entire state order, but nothing about keeping people from NY and NJ, which are hotbeds for the coronavirus, from coming in and quarantining themselves if they come here. Too many people don't care and therefore everyone will get it.

It's unfortunate that adults can't adult. Selfish.

 

[mal]

It doesn't always indicate your list of words. It absolutely does not. I know people with diplomas that knew how to take a test -- that's a trade skill -- and they are dumber than a fence post. Stupid people.

And I know people who did not have the opportunity to higher education who are very intelligent and very ambitious. Circumstances in their lives kept them from getting that piece of paper.

I guess that's what I meant. They are no longer special, more like a dime a dozen. I've found that the most intelligent people I've encountered throughout my life were on the factory floor or doing service or labour. It was once I entered the corporate world in my 30's that I discovered how substandard things are and when you point out logical inconsistencies you are deemed unprofessional (i.e., "Don't say anything or you'll ruin it for th rest of us.").

 

[Moderator]

Yes, guidelines help. But the coronavirus, like evil, will find a way to thrive. Do we spend every moment of every day cleaning and disinfecting everything? Do you touch your mail? How many people touched those vegetables in the grocery store you bought and every single product you purchase or come in contact with? Do other people live with you? If so, do you know what they’ve potentially come in contact with, do you disinfect the toilet seat every trip, the faucets, the dishwasher, the washer and dryer, doorknobs, the everything? Guidelines are good but unfortunately I fear everyone will get it eventually. The goal right now is merely to flatten the curve and guidelines/testing help but they won’t stop you from getting the coronavirus.

That's not thinking far enough long-term. These are meant to be safety measures taken for now while scientists are developing a vaccine and effective treatment. Once that happens we should be able to be less aggressive about this and consider it like other viruses where disinfecting etc. are common sense measures to take anyway. Not everyone gets the flu now because there are ways to prevent it and some people just don't for whatever reason. Speaking personally, I hardly ever get flu even when I wasn't getting annual flu shots so to speak in such broad terms as "everyone" will get it doesn't ring true for me. Studying whether having contracted and survived it gives people immunity should also be considered a top priority.

 

[Dana Jean]

I guess that's what I meant. They are no longer special, more like a dime a dozen. I've found that the most intelligent people I've encountered throughout my life were on the factory floor or doing service or labour. It was once I entered the corporate world in my 30's that I discovered how substandard things are and when you point out logical inconsistencies you are deemed unprofessional (i.e., "Don't say anything or you'll ruin it for th rest of us.").

Oh, I had a co worker who used to conspiratorially lean across her desk and whisper to me, "slow down!" because I was actually, uh, working.

 

[mal]

My sister likes Billie Eilish and my brother seems to have no interest in music at all, regardless, I couldn't care less about their music tastes, I like what I like and they like what they like and that's a-okay

I watched Billie Eilish on PBS several weeks ago to check out her music. It took a few songs to get used to but I ended up liking it.

 

[Edward John]

There are good points here all around.
I'm going to go make some more coffee,
and keep my opinions about the CDC, and the rest of my cornbread to myself.

Well ... technically ... making a comment on the CDC would not be politics as politics only concerns the Government of the people, which the CDC isn't really involved with, then again: is it not a branch of the State Department? Well ...

 

[Edward John]

Campbell County COVID-19 count up to 5

This is an article in yesterday's local paper. A woman was tested here. And then she traveled out of state.

Whaaaatttt???

Where did she travel? How many people did she expose along the way? Did she have permission to travel? (I would guess not) And will she now be "double" counted in that state's totals?

I just don't understand people's stupidity.

This is why the borders have to close. The same thing needs to happen in the UK, shut down the borders.