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Henry Bowers gay?

Discussion in 'IT' started by raggedyman79, Sep 8, 2014.

  1. Cristian M

    Cristian M Well-Known Member

    Diversity leads to adversity. See Ferguson case.
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  2. Chuggs

    Chuggs Well-Known Member

    Stories do not always reflect the writer or his/her opinions. Characters in stories are generally reflections of real people in society. If a writer writes a racist character, it in no way means that the writer is a racist. Stories and their characters are creatures all there own, they tell themselves in a lot of ways. The writer is the means.
  3. Sigmund

    Sigmund Waiting in Uber.

    The Ferguson case illustrates diversity was not accomplished.

    Beg pardon, I'll leave this discussion now.

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  4. kingricefan

    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch.....;-D
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  5. Todash

    Todash Free spirit. Curly girl. Cookie eater. Proud SJW.

    The thing about the tree at the White House is a myth, a tiresome one at that. Snopes can debunk it for you.

    As far as Christmas, frankly, I have never heard anyone who doesn't celebrate Christmas complain about Christmas, act offended by it, etc. I have heard some Christians claim that this is the case (never with any proof that I have seen). They seem to be confusing other groups asking to be recognized with other groups refusing to recognize Christmas/Christians. (Never mind that for many people, Christmas is not remotely a religious holiday anyway.) This is a common reaction to suddenly being asked to treat others fairly, as when a child has a favorite toy for a very long time and is then asked to share. I expect that in time, we will all learn to get along a bit better, much as siblings eventually figure it out.

    Here is a handy decision tree that can help us all learn the proper way to respond to the various holiday greetings. [​IMG]
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  6. Todash

    Todash Free spirit. Curly girl. Cookie eater. Proud SJW.

    Did ... did you really ... are you essentially advocating segregation? Because ... I just ... my brain. I cannot ... what??
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  7. Todash

    Todash Free spirit. Curly girl. Cookie eater. Proud SJW.

    As to the topic at hand, IT is actually one of the SK books I haven't read. (I know, it just has weirdly slipped through the cracks.) I'll pay attention when I read it.

    But in general, I would hope that we will always allow for our good guys AND our bad guys to be any color, any gender, any orientation. That's true equality.
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  8. champ1966

    champ1966 Well-Known Member

    My sentiments exactly.

    You can't write about the 50's-70's and have characters with new millennium attitudes towards sexuality and race.
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  9. champ1966

    champ1966 Well-Known Member

    Sorry for posting about Henry Bowers.

    you can all go back to arguing about Christmas
    Oooh he said Christmas
    trees now ;)
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  10. Cristian M

    Cristian M Well-Known Member

    Segregation is worse. DNA needs to be mixed for stronger offspring. I was just saying that humans hate other humans even when they are slightly different, its an instinctive psychological reaction , which can be CHAINED through education (but that beast cannot be KILLED).
    Heck, we even hate our own selves from younger age, when we think of the past (that's why lots of sci-fi stories about meeting self in the past mention the automatic desire to kill younger self).
    SK teaches us in Cell that the human core is murder, readily visible when all layers of education have been stripped (for example by receiving a subliminal signal on your smartphone).
  11. Cristian M

    Cristian M Well-Known Member

    I read the article you pointed me to, but it stops at December 2013. Many things can change in a year, so the Winter tree story might be true for December 2014.

  12. Robert Gray

    Robert Gray Well-Known Member

    Hrm. This thread went off the rail a bit. Some of these topics really would be better suited to their own thread because they just muddy the water here. If we are doing a close reading of King's It, there is (at least in my opinion) nothing to support Henry Bowers as being homosexual. We get a direct look into the mind of Bowers as well as ample access to his activities. Beyond that, I will only briefly address what I consider a foolish practice, i.e. the discussion of whether or not King portrays various minority communities in a good or a bad light. I've read most of his books several times (many in some cases) and will have them all before I'm done. I have found that treatment of people is individual, not group. His bad guys come from all walks as do his heroes.

    For that matter, we don't even know if Hockstetter is a homosexual. The only thing we know for certain about him is he is a sociopath and killer. We know that he does weird and lude things to girls which indicates an interest as well. We know his behavior is predicated on liking things on a schedule and his behavior towards Bowers could simply be an expression of wanting to fit in with a deteriorating Bowers who let Hockstetter into the group. Hockstetter might be a homosexual. He might be a heterosexual. He might be bisexual. The acts, for this sociopath, might have no link to gender preference at all. He is, after all, an entity of schedule, form and function. Do you follow? We get a good look into Hockstetter's head too, far more than is comfortable, and sexuality isn't really anything that drives him.
  13. Cristian M

    Cristian M Well-Known Member

    Patrick H. is sexually aroused when he kills. He keeps his animal victims in a fridge until they die.
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  14. Todash

    Todash Free spirit. Curly girl. Cookie eater. Proud SJW.

    This makes me think of a friend of mine. He self-identifies as gay, technically, but if he mentioned being in a relationship or even dating, I'd be absolutely stunned. He is the most asexual person I know.

    For some people, real or imagined, gay or straight (or elsewise), sex just isn't a motivator. File that under Takes All Kinds, I guess.
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  15. Todash

    Todash Free spirit. Curly girl. Cookie eater. Proud SJW.

    LOL ... Well-played, sir. Well-played indeed.
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  16. AchtungBaby

    AchtungBaby Well-Known Member

    I've noticed the cliche thing as well (the dog-man in The Shining immediately comes to mind). I wonder if it's because King grew up in a time when homosexuality wasn't as public a thing as it is now, therefore there was less understanding/tolerance.
  17. Cristian M

    Cristian M Well-Known Member

    In US of the 1950s , homosexuality was considered mental illness and in UK some aspects about it were illegal. Turing died because he was forced to take some "antigay" chemical trearment.
  18. champ1966

    champ1966 Well-Known Member

    Tally ho old chap ;)
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  19. Todash

    Todash Free spirit. Curly girl. Cookie eater. Proud SJW.

    That's "young miss" to you. (Or "madam," if you want to be accurate.)

    I know those jodhpurs are around here somewhere ...
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  20. Cristian M

    Cristian M Well-Known Member

    Is he shy ?
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