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Nisala

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Hello everyone, long days and pleasant nights to all of you.

(English is not my 1st language, so I apologise in advance for any bad grammar.)

I just finished the last book and completed the series for the first time, and then I came directly here (as many others I believe), to wrap my head around the ending. I appreciate the ending more and more the more I think about it and the more I read of your opinions about it as well. You guys have a lot of interesting ideas.

First, the only thing I had a real problem with in the books was how easily the Crimson King died in the end (or half vanished would probably be more correct). I didn't mind the way he was erased by Patrick, I enjoyed that quite a bit actually. I just thought that an enemy of that caliber would put up more of a fight before it was over. Maybe some more, creative mind tricks or something like that, instead of just a few sneetches. It was very anti climatic. I enjoyed his creepy, mad screams though (those of you who have listened to the audiobook (I did a combination), would maybe agree with me?), but was that really it for the terrible Crimson King? That was hard to swallow for me. But besides from that, I enjoyed every single bit. Yes, the last book in particular was very fast paced, but King also explains why, in a very believable way, I think at least; of course everything goes downhill in a brutal way after Eddie dies and the ka-tet is broken.

And as for the ending itself, maybe I am completely out there and reading way too mutch into it, but is it not possible that Roland is Gan himself in some way? Some people believe that the tower is the embodiment of Gan, and we know that the whole tower is dedicated to Roland. Every floor represents a part of his life. Some part of Roland always believed that he would meet Gan at the top of the tower, at least before he believed for a good while that Stephen King was Gan, and King even believed that himself, until they both eventually determined that he was not. And if you think about it, it was Roland that made King write again and it was Roland (or really Jake in Rolands name) that saved his life so he could continue the story once again. Did Gan somehow make a hume version of himself, to save the world he once created, when everything started to fall apart (maybe when the Prim receeded?). And he keeps sending the hume version of himself back to his startingpoint, to get every little detail right, until all of the worlds are safe from destruction? Ka is a wheel, afterall. And maybe this could explain Rolands insane need to reach the tower, and why it is calling to him so deeply? Maybe it's where his real soul is?

Phew, I don't really know, it was just one of the first thoughts I had, and the one that lingered the longest in my head. It's probably completely mental, haha. Thanks for reading!

We are well met.
 

GNTLGNT

The idiot is IN
Jun 15, 2007
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Cambridge, Ohio
Hello everyone, long days and pleasant nights to all of you.

(English is not my 1st language, so I apologise in advance for any bad grammar.)

I just finished the last book and completed the series for the first time, and then I came directly here (as many others I believe), to wrap my head around the ending. I appreciate the ending more and more the more I think about it and the more I read of your opinions about it as well. You guys have a lot of interesting ideas.

First, the only thing I had a real problem with in the books was how easily the Crimson King died in the end (or half vanished would probably be more correct). I didn't mind the way he was erased by Patrick, I enjoyed that quite a bit actually. I just thought that an enemy of that caliber would put up more of a fight before it was over. Maybe some more, creative mind tricks or something like that, instead of just a few sneetches. It was very anti climatic. I enjoyed his creepy, mad screams though (those of you who have listened to the audiobook (I did a combination), would maybe agree with me?), but was that really it for the terrible Crimson King? That was hard to swallow for me. But besides from that, I enjoyed every single bit. Yes, the last book in particular was very fast paced, but King also explains why, in a very believable way, I think at least; of course everything goes downhill in a brutal way after Eddie dies and the ka-tet is broken.

And as for the ending itself, maybe I am completely out there and reading way too mutch into it, but is it not possible that Roland is Gan himself in some way? Some people believe that the tower is the embodiment of Gan, and we know that the whole tower is dedicated to Roland. Every floor represents a part of his life. Some part of Roland always believed that he would meet Gan at the top of the tower, at least before he believed for a good while that Stephen King was Gan, and King even believed that himself, until they both eventually determined that he was not. And if you think about it, it was Roland that made King write again and it was Roland (or really Jake in Rolands name) that saved his life so he could continue the story once again. Did Gan somehow make a hume version of himself, to save the world he once created, when everything started to fall apart (maybe when the Prim receeded?). And he keeps sending the hume version of himself back to his startingpoint, to get every little detail right, until all of the worlds are safe from destruction? Ka is a wheel, afterall. And maybe this could explain Rolands insane need to reach the tower, and why it is calling to him so deeply? Maybe it's where his real soul is?

Phew, I don't really know, it was just one of the first thoughts I had, and the one that lingered the longest in my head. It's probably completely mental, haha. Thanks for reading!

We are well met.
...Wow!...well done!!!....your English and reasoning is impeccable...
 

Neesy

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May 24, 2012
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Hello everyone, long days and pleasant nights to all of you.

(English is not my 1st language, so I apologise in advance for any bad grammar.)

I just finished the last book and completed the series for the first time, and then I came directly here (as many others I believe), to wrap my head around the ending. I appreciate the ending more and more the more I think about it and the more I read of your opinions about it as well. You guys have a lot of interesting ideas.

First, the only thing I had a real problem with in the books was how easily the Crimson King died in the end (or half vanished would probably be more correct). I didn't mind the way he was erased by Patrick, I enjoyed that quite a bit actually. I just thought that an enemy of that caliber would put up more of a fight before it was over. Maybe some more, creative mind tricks or something like that, instead of just a few sneetches. It was very anti climatic. I enjoyed his creepy, mad screams though (those of you who have listened to the audiobook (I did a combination), would maybe agree with me?), but was that really it for the terrible Crimson King? That was hard to swallow for me. But besides from that, I enjoyed every single bit. Yes, the last book in particular was very fast paced, but King also explains why, in a very believable way, I think at least; of course everything goes downhill in a brutal way after Eddie dies and the ka-tet is broken.

And as for the ending itself, maybe I am completely out there and reading way too mutch into it, but is it not possible that Roland is Gan himself in some way? Some people believe that the tower is the embodiment of Gan, and we know that the whole tower is dedicated to Roland. Every floor represents a part of his life. Some part of Roland always believed that he would meet Gan at the top of the tower, at least before he believed for a good while that Stephen King was Gan, and King even believed that himself, until they both eventually determined that he was not. And if you think about it, it was Roland that made King write again and it was Roland (or really Jake in Rolands name) that saved his life so he could continue the story once again. Did Gan somehow make a hume version of himself, to save the world he once created, when everything started to fall apart (maybe when the Prim receeded?). And he keeps sending the hume version of himself back to his startingpoint, to get every little detail right, until all of the worlds are safe from destruction? Ka is a wheel, afterall. And maybe this could explain Rolands insane need to reach the tower, and why it is calling to him so deeply? Maybe it's where his real soul is?

Phew, I don't really know, it was just one of the first thoughts I had, and the one that lingered the longest in my head. It's probably completely mental, haha. Thanks for reading!

We are well met.
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Don't know what your first language is, but you're killing it with the English! I wish more people would check their spelling and grammar and not just let the autocorrect take over - Welcome!
 

GNTLGNT

The idiot is IN
Jun 15, 2007
86,051
347,108
58
Cambridge, Ohio
Hello everyone, long days and pleasant nights to all of you.

(English is not my 1st language, so I apologise in advance for any bad grammar.)

I just finished the last book and completed the series for the first time, and then I came directly here (as many others I believe), to wrap my head around the ending. I appreciate the ending more and more the more I think about it and the more I read of your opinions about it as well. You guys have a lot of interesting ideas.

First, the only thing I had a real problem with in the books was how easily the Crimson King died in the end (or half vanished would probably be more correct). I didn't mind the way he was erased by Patrick, I enjoyed that quite a bit actually. I just thought that an enemy of that caliber would put up more of a fight before it was over. Maybe some more, creative mind tricks or something like that, instead of just a few sneetches. It was very anti climatic. I enjoyed his creepy, mad screams though (those of you who have listened to the audiobook (I did a combination), would maybe agree with me?), but was that really it for the terrible Crimson King? That was hard to swallow for me. But besides from that, I enjoyed every single bit. Yes, the last book in particular was very fast paced, but King also explains why, in a very believable way, I think at least; of course everything goes downhill in a brutal way after Eddie dies and the ka-tet is broken.

And as for the ending itself, maybe I am completely out there and reading way too mutch into it, but is it not possible that Roland is Gan himself in some way? Some people believe that the tower is the embodiment of Gan, and we know that the whole tower is dedicated to Roland. Every floor represents a part of his life. Some part of Roland always believed that he would meet Gan at the top of the tower, at least before he believed for a good while that Stephen King was Gan, and King even believed that himself, until they both eventually determined that he was not. And if you think about it, it was Roland that made King write again and it was Roland (or really Jake in Rolands name) that saved his life so he could continue the story once again. Did Gan somehow make a hume version of himself, to save the world he once created, when everything started to fall apart (maybe when the Prim receeded?). And he keeps sending the hume version of himself back to his startingpoint, to get every little detail right, until all of the worlds are safe from destruction? Ka is a wheel, afterall. And maybe this could explain Rolands insane need to reach the tower, and why it is calling to him so deeply? Maybe it's where his real soul is?

Phew, I don't really know, it was just one of the first thoughts I had, and the one that lingered the longest in my head. It's probably completely mental, haha. Thanks for reading!

We are well met.
...I get where you coming from on the CK, however-this is my thought....he was much like The Wizard of OZ.....seemed great and terrible, but much of that was a "glammer"....sure, he had done terrible things and held many in sway, but as the Beams weakened, so did he......
 

Nisala

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Jun 28, 2018
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...I get where you coming from on the CK, however-this is my thought....he was much like The Wizard of OZ.....seemed great and terrible, but much of that was a "glammer"....sure, he had done terrible things and held many in sway, but as the Beams weakened, so did he......
That's a good way to look at it I guess, I like that comparison. But did he really get weakened from the beams weakening? I would have thought it more logical that he got a lot weaker when the tet stoppet the breakers and the beam started healing again? Either way, I just missed the feeling of really beating him, I guess ;)
 

Ebdim9th

Dressing the Gothic interval in tritones
Jul 1, 2009
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I have to re-read sometimes before I can comment, but you said a lot, Nisala ! Welcome aboardie! But yeah, as GNTLGNT said, I can see the Crimson King exhausting most of his energy at some point, but there can be tremendous power in a beam-breaker, too....
 

GNTLGNT

The idiot is IN
Jun 15, 2007
86,051
347,108
58
Cambridge, Ohio
That's a good way to look at it I guess, I like that comparison. But did he really get weakened from the beams weakening? I would have thought it more logical that he got a lot weaker when the tet stoppet the breakers and the beam started healing again? Either way, I just missed the feeling of really beating him, I guess ;)
...you are correct...I meant as the beams strengthened.....I had a dumb.....
 

Ebdim9th

Dressing the Gothic interval in tritones
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I am one of the blasphemous few, btw, who actually liked the movie, even though I had originally hated the idea of it making so many changes (in order to change Roland you'd have to change Susannah), and was looking forward to it's next chapter, to see how the changes played out ......
 

Nisala

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I am one of the blasphemous few, btw, who actually liked the movie, even though I had originally hated the idea of it making so many changes (in order to change Roland you'd have to change Susannah), and was looking forward to it's next chapter, to see how the changes played out ......
That's interesting. I haven't seen the movie because I've been reading the books, and I didn't want to spoil anything. But I think I will keep an open mind and watch it eventually.
 
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