The Walking Dead ***please use SPOILER tags***
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Not sure if you read the comics but Negan's backstory has been serialized in recent issues...
Lucille was the name of Negan's wife, who died of cancer the day the outbreak started where they lived.
Also about Negan...
Negan was a P.E. coach before the fall.
Well, that explains a lot of things LOL!
Tonights episode,just a little aside,the two guns that were mentioned..one was a glock 9mm,am sure pretty much everyone knows what that is..the other they said was a Bobcat .22,which I believe is a Beretta 21a .22 caliber pistol..I used to own one,it was a really nice little gun..
Had one of those too!I just prefer the glocks..
OK. I have a few problems.
Bottom line, I'm not going to say it was a terrible episode (though others have elsewhere, I've seen), but I have never been so close to being done with the show as I was last night. Never. Even after the goings-on last season and given the extremely dark season premiere (I mean, we all knew that one was never going to be a barrel of laughs).
1) Rosita, sweetheart...that bullet you want making? It'll be the wrong sodding calibre for the weapon you have.
2) Negan's monologues. Yeah, mate, keep talking. I could do with a kip.
3) Logic, logic, logic. a) It makes not one shred of sense to disarm a group you expect to go out into a world still full(?) of walkers to find you 'stuff'. b) It makes not one shred of sense to stay in a place and simply await your turn 'at bat', as Rick and co. have done. c) It makes not one shred of sense to have all those weapons and be behind walls, but not fortify the place ahead of Negan turning up if you do decide to stay put. You would i) assume that he will be early (possibly even showing up the next day, ii) still maintain your watches, iii) prepare extra defensive layers, telling Negan's followers - should they show up without him - that you need extra earthworks, etc, because you've been having a lot of walker problems lately. iv) If Negan does show up with his henchmen, your people on the walls would hose them down while you, as leader/Rick, put a nice .44 round in Negan's chest and a second through his brain. (secret v) then you go a bit Riddick and keep what you kill; go find Negan's compound then give it the "Hello, b!tches!" routine while holding Negan's head aloft.) d) What did I say before about not simply making Negan a one-note bada$s? On the evidence so far, no one would follow him for long if that's all he was. At a certain point, members of his group would have taken him and his core team down already.
4) I'm starting to think sociopaths run this show. They seem to be in love with the idea of making characters suffer pointlessly and pettily - at a cost to internal logic as in point 3) - as well as drooling endlessly and equally pointlessly over the 'bad' guy (and while I like JDM as an actor, some of the 'badness' just comes across as camp). Some of his comments carry menace. Others are intended to be amusing. But then there are the other ones, the ones not intended to be funny, and aren't, but nor are they menacing. The reaction they get is
"Oh, puh-leeze".
5) The worst thing of all? It's not even Negan that winds me up the most. It's Dwight. And now we have another couple of happy ar$eholes doing to schoolyard bully routine. Naturally enough, I suppose, as weak people would feel emboldened by their orbit around someone like Negan, but... *sigh*.
Another thing with Dwight, though...I said last week that they might have taken the character too far down the road of just being a git to make me care about redemption. However, the door was still open. So why, then, take him back to being just another 2D rick with a P at the front in this ep? If the running order saw the last two eps get flipped, why? And did no one look back and go 'Ah, sh!t, that ends up undercutting what went on the week before'? Or if the eps were flipped to prevent Dwight from being taken that extra mile or so down the road of unredeemable asshat, why did they not snip the water bottle scene?
2) Negan's monologues. Yeah, mate, keep talking. I could do with a kip.
3) Logic, logic, logic. a) It makes not one shred of sense to disarm a group you expect to go out into a world still full(?) of walkers to find you 'stuff'. b) It makes not one shred of sense to stay in a place and simply await your turn 'at bat', as Rick and co. have done. c) It makes not one shred of sense to have all those weapons and be behind walls, but not fortify the place ahead of Negan turning up if you do decide to stay put. You would i) assume that he will be early (possibly even showing up the next day, ii) still maintain your watches, iii) prepare extra defensive layers, telling Negan's followers - should they show up without him - that you need extra earthworks, etc, because you've been having a lot of walker problems lately. iv) If Negan does show up with his henchmen, your people on the walls would hose them down while you, as leader/Rick, put a nice .44 round in Negan's chest and a second through his brain. (secret v) then you go a bit Riddick and keep what you kill; go find Negan's compound then give it the "Hello, b!tches!" routine while holding Negan's head aloft.) d) What did I say before about not simply making Negan a one-note bada$s? On the evidence so far, no one would follow him for long if that's all he was. At a certain point, members of his group would have taken him and his core team down already.
4) I'm starting to think sociopaths run this show. They seem to be in love with the idea of making characters suffer pointlessly and pettily - at a cost to internal logic as in point 3) - as well as drooling endlessly and equally pointlessly over the 'bad' guy (and while I like JDM as an actor, some of the 'badness' just comes across as camp). Some of his comments carry menace. Others are intended to be amusing. But then there are the other ones, the ones not intended to be funny, and aren't, but nor are they menacing. The reaction they get is
"Oh, puh-leeze".5) The worst thing of all? It's not even Negan that winds me up the most. It's Dwight. And now we have another couple of happy ar$eholes doing to schoolyard bully routine. Naturally enough, I suppose, as weak people would feel emboldened by their orbit around someone like Negan, but... *sigh*.
Another thing with Dwight, though...I said last week that they might have taken the character too far down the road of just being a git to make me care about redemption. However, the door was still open. So why, then, take him back to being just another 2D rick with a P at the front in this ep? If the running order saw the last two eps get flipped, why? And did no one look back and go 'Ah, sh!t, that ends up undercutting what went on the week before'? Or if the eps were flipped to prevent Dwight from being taken that extra mile or so down the road of unredeemable asshat, why did they not snip the water bottle scene?
Bottom line, I'm not going to say it was a terrible episode (though others have elsewhere, I've seen), but I have never been so close to being done with the show as I was last night. Never. Even after the goings-on last season and given the extremely dark season premiere (I mean, we all knew that one was never going to be a barrel of laughs).
Really didn’t care for the last episode. Too many inconsistencies in the story line Sunday.
How does Negan not realize that Rick’s gang is lying to him when they claim Maggie died, and make the group dig her up?
They have the foresight to hide Maggie but not an RPG launcher or burn Olivia’s gun ledger?
Why doesn’t the group from Alexandria just leave?
Rick would rather live in slavery than lead the group to freedom?
They have the foresight to hide Maggie but not an RPG launcher or burn Olivia’s gun ledger?
Why doesn’t the group from Alexandria just leave?
Rick would rather live in slavery than lead the group to freedom?
Most of that I agree with, and felt that way even before reading your post. However..
There are still some in Alexandria that have known nothing else. They wouldn't leave. Even if someone tried to get them to, they probably wouldn't. They would stay, alone or a small group, and hope Negan would understand why they couldn't get him what they were supposed to.
I suspect Rick is formulating a plan.
I suspect Rick is formulating a plan.
what the heck does that mean? Doesn't everyone fall asleep watching the tv,you dang heretic,you?!
it means I'm so bored with the
show now, I just read the reviews instead of wading through 60minutes of the pish.
I reckon I'm not alone
I'm going to have to come back and read everyone's thoughts which, I imagine, will take a bit of time. Skimming this last page I see some shared feelings. With that being said.....
I LOVE Negan. Yes, he is an absolute evil bastard but boy is he shaking things up and in a good way. The first episode didn't surprise me but rather made me glad to a certain extent. After however many seasons of this show I think we know by now that beloved characters are going to die. It's what keeps things fresh and hopefully exciting. I'm not sure what has happened to Carol. She suddenly went from total cookie baking, NIN in the background, badass to what? I'm not sure. So she is now replaced with Negan and King Ezekial as my two favorite characters. I hope Rick is forming a plan because he really is being Negan's little bitch right now. THAT comment!
