I can believe that.
He is like one of those throwback 70s PE coaches that I had.
My husband had a PE coach that would randomly hit the guys in the nutz to make sure they were wearing their cups.
Imagine a coach doing that in high school nowadays?
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My husband had a PE coach that would randomly hit the guys in the nutz to make sure they were wearing their cups.
Imagine a coach doing that in high school nowadays?
I had one in middle school that got suspended a couple of times for punching kids. The guy was never suspended for long because he was also the coach of the JV high school basketball team and we always had teams basketball teams that competed for state championships and the basketball team was untouchable. The fact that he was actually suspended a couple of times speaks volumes to how bad he was. His JV team won over 100 games in a row during my stretch between middle school and high school. He was a nasty human being and you didn't dare cross him. The biggest trouble makers in school would never mess with him.
He punched several other kids that never said anything about it.
Damn. This story reminds me of Ben's in IT! What a jerk.
One of our gym teachers ended up punching a student. This student was a little a$$hole but still, most of were in high school
(not excusing it at all. he was fired.)
Not happy with the whole Negan story line. Don’t care what the apocalypse will be like... Just detest the idea of rape being treated so casually.
Yes, good point. I thought he had some "rule" when it came to women? Against rape? Maybe I missed something but I see what you're saying.
Damn. This story reminds me of Ben's in IT! What a jerk.
One of our gym teachers ended up punching a student. This student was a little a$$hole but still, most of were in high school
(not excusing it at all. he was fired.)
If you have a short fuse, middle school is not the place you should be working.
I think the rule is other men need his permission.
Ah, I see. Thank you and yeah that's pretty bad!
I still can't help but enjoy the presence of this character. He's just so charismatic while being a brutal savage.
Just my opinion here, but, it's not like he's romanticising rape. (Like that Mr. Gray character.) Negan is an all round evil guy. I don't think they've shown women drooling over him either.
Agreed but that is a common enough theme in most depictions of historical and futuristic representations of such scenarios.
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Just a quick check reveals that we are given examples throughout history. Fortunately, there seems to be a commonality among most individuals, regardless of circumstance; most people find rape to be immoral and offensive, which speaks well of humanity.
There are plenty of cases where an individual, usually a leader, has to "step up" and voice the concern before anything is done to change the behavior.
A few notes:
-Section 16 1828 Offenses Against the Person: "And be it enacted, That every Person convicted of the Crime of Rape shall suffer Death as a Felon"
- Napoleon Found it distasteful as well, equating racists with monsters.
- The Roman Empire as influenced by Julius Caesar defined rape as forced sex against "boy, woman, or anyone"
- Zuess repeatedly raped women and goddesses, according to mythological literature.
Rape is not treated casually by Negan AT ALL. It's the single thing that will get a person immediately killed (at least in the comics--they haven't rally addressed that in the TV show yet)--no chances, no questions, no pleading allowed.
Nope. Sex has to be consensual in Neganland. A man raping a woman is subject to immediate death.
Sort of like a comic book, huh? (ba-dum-tisch!OK. I have a few problems.
1) Rosita, sweetheart...that bullet you want making? It'll be the wrong sodding calibre for the weapon you have.
2) Negan's monologues. Yeah, mate, keep talking. I could do with a kip.
3) Logic, logic, logic. a) It makes not one shred of sense to disarm a group you expect to go out into a world still full(?) of walkers to find you 'stuff'. b) It makes not one shred of sense to stay in a place and simply await your turn 'at bat', as Rick and co. have done. c) It makes not one shred of sense to have all those weapons and be behind walls, but not fortify the place ahead of Negan turning up if you do decide to stay put. You would i) assume that he will be early (possibly even showing up the next day, ii) still maintain your watches, iii) prepare extra defensive layers, telling Negan's followers - should they show up without him - that you need extra earthworks, etc, because you've been having a lot of walker problems lately. iv) If Negan does show up with his henchmen, your people on the walls would hose them down while you, as leader/Rick, put a nice .44 round in Negan's chest and a second through his brain. (secret v) then you go a bit Riddick and keep what you kill; go find Negan's compound then give it the "Hello, b!tches!" routine while holding Negan's head aloft.) d) What did I say before about not simply making Negan a one-note bada$s? On the evidence so far, no one would follow him for long if that's all he was. At a certain point, members of his group would have taken him and his core team down already.
4) I'm starting to think sociopaths run this show. They seem to be in love with the idea of making characters suffer pointlessly and pettily - at a cost to internal logic as in point 3) - as well as drooling endlessly and equally pointlessly over the 'bad' guy (and while I like JDM as an actor, some of the 'badness' just comes across as camp). Some of his comments carry menace. Others are intended to be amusing. But then there are the other ones, the ones not intended to be funny, and aren't, but nor are they menacing. The reaction they get is"Oh, puh-leeze".
5) The worst thing of all? It's not even Negan that winds me up the most. It's Dwight. And now we have another couple of happy ar$eholes doing to schoolyard bully routine. Naturally enough, I suppose, as weak people would feel emboldened by their orbit around someone like Negan, but... *sigh*.
Another thing with Dwight, though...I said last week that they might have taken the character too far down the road of just being a git to make me care about redemption. However, the door was still open. So why, then, take him back to being just another 2D rick with a P at the front in this ep? If the running order saw the last two eps get flipped, why? And did no one look back and go 'Ah, sh!t, that ends up undercutting what went on the week before'? Or if the eps were flipped to prevent Dwight from being taken that extra mile or so down the road of unredeemable asshat, why did they not snip the water bottle scene?
Bottom line, I'm not going to say it was a terrible episode (though others have elsewhere, I've seen), but I have never been so close to being done with the show as I was last night. Never. Even after the goings-on last season and given the extremely dark season premiere (I mean, we all knew that one was never going to be a barrel of laughs).
)Seriously, though, that's what this is. I think Gimple is playing a long game. I wasn't too impressed with season 4 until I re-watched it not long ago, one episode after another. Taken individually, there were episodes that were 'meh', but when I watched the uninterrupted (well, except for food and bathroom breaks) narrative arc of the season, it hung together quite well. Judging episode by episode isn't working for this show--it's like taking a single chapter out of a book and judging the whole story by those few pages. I'm not saying this is high art (again: COMIC BOOK), but Gimple and Kirkman have a decent thing going, all in all.
Right now, I'm not impressed with Rick, and he's long been my favorite. Still, I'm planning on hanging in there to see how they turn things around, because they will.
The writers/producers have stumbled at times (the first big things that spring to mind are the Termites, the stupid dumpster thing, and Carol's transformation), but all in all I like the story. The characters will do stupid things. People do that. But, as DiO'Bolic pointed out on the Fear The Walking Dead thread, these characters ALWAYS pay for their stupid ****.
And they do stupid ****. Because they're on borrowed time; they know that and fight against it. They are 'the walking dead', after all. Zombies are just incidental.
Sort of like a comic book, huh? (ba-dum-tisch!
Seriously, though, that's what this is. I think Gimple is playing a long game. I wasn't too impressed with season 4 until I re-watched it not long ago, one episode after another. Taken individually, there were episodes that were 'meh', but when I watched the uninterrupted (well, except for food and bathroom breaks) narrative arc of the season, it hung together quite well. Judging episode by episode isn't working for this show--it's like taking a single chapter out of a book and judging the whole story by those few pages. I'm not saying this is high art (again: COMIC BOOK), but Gimple and Kirkman have a decent thing going, all in all.
Right now, I'm not impressed with Rick, and he's long been my favorite. Still, I'm planning on hanging in there to see how they turn things around, because they will.
The writers/producers have stumbled at times (the first big things that spring to mind are the Termites, the stupid dumpster thing, and Carol's transformation), but all in all I like the story. The characters will do stupid things. People do that. But, as DiO'Bolic pointed out on the Fear The Walking Dead thread, these characters ALWAYS pay for their stupid ****.
And they do stupid ****. Because they're on borrowed time; they know that and fight against it. They are 'the walking dead', after all. Zombies are just incidental.
Touche. But that's the thing: this isn't a comic book. As we've both said before (well, I have, I'm pretty sure you have too): different medium, different rules. I can see how this stuff would hold together well in the comic book format, as well as how the comic books could be even more brutal - you can get away with things on the page that would never, ever fly on TV (and the SFX budget is irrelevant). It's not doing so well on-screen, though. At least not for me. I know they want to drag it all back to how it was in the comics, and I understand why...but if I wanted the true comic book version, I'd go and read the comic books. What I don't want, and what people don't need (especially the comic book fans), is more or less a simple panel-by-panel conversion from page to screen. I mean, what's the point? As with Game of Thrones, it's the differences between the two forms that retain interest in both - if the series had been exactly like the books, where's the pay-off for the readers? If future books exactly follow events in the series, where's the pay-off for the viewers? They've seen it all before.
It's a good point you make about ep by ep judgements not working for the show. As much as I agree with that, though, the fact remains that it is aired on a week-by-week, episode-by-episode basis so judgements are going to happen. They have to accept that and make sure every hour is worth watching for what it is, no matter how well it fits into the overall structure when 'binge' viewed. Otherwise why shouldn't I just forget all about the weekly show and just wait to see it come season's end? Oh, right...because without the weeklies it'd soon be cancelled.
(If any of this comes across as having a go at you, btw, it's not mean to. I'm really having a go about them.
)DiO'Bolic made good points about FTWD, and made another one in relation to this ep: if nothing else, you'd bury some weapons and burn the ledger. Or, as I suggested in my previous post, you'd turn Alexandria into a fortress, killing Negan and co. at the gates. Yeah, they would probably have dropped Daryl and a few random Alexandrians, but since his arc seems to be done and they are pointless...
Or you'd have got back to Alexandria, told everyone what the score was, then hightailed it out of there, sending scouts ahead to make sure the roads to the east, south-east or south really were clear. Basically, clear out back to Georgia or keep on truckin' down to Florida or Louisiana. Boxing west is then optional.
Or you'd have got back to Alexandria, told everyone what the score was, then hightailed it out of there, sending scouts ahead to make sure the roads to the east, south-east or south really were clear. Basically, clear out back to Georgia or keep on truckin' down to Florida or Louisiana. Boxing west is then optional.
Really, for me, the great thing about TWD was the whole "What would I do?" scenario. It was fun to watch and also put yourself in their shoes, or go along with them. Even staying on the damn farm made sense; it was dull, but you knew it was the right option, you'd have done it yourself. Now, the answer to a given situation always seems to be 'I'd do pretty much the opposite of that, because that's just dumb'.
As for Negan...if I actually was in that world, the next time he launched into one of his monologues I'd snatch Lucille out of his hand and belt myself around the skull with it if smashing his teeth through to his brain stem wasn't an option. Sheesh. 'TWD's Guide on How to Misuse a Good Actor, pt. 263'.
As you can see, I'm only still watching because a) I've sunk too much time into the show to want to just walk away now, and b) I can be a stubborn bar steward, even to the point of harming my own interests. And right now it really would be in my interest to call it quits. It's not like couldn't use the time for other things. But I know come Monday I'll be there again, throwing on the increasingly heavy pack once more even though I really don't want to and I know it's only going to hurt, ready to do the same old route march just because I refuse to be beaten and I will not quit.
I'm a silly sod.
See though, they got complacent and felt like they had this down, they were the ones in control of the situation. Ho hum, just another day, just another walker. We are badass. They believed their own hype. That's when people get stupid and make stupid mistakes.
Yep, got that.
It was a severe tactical error to assume they'd located Negan's camp like they did. I'd have thought anyone would have known to do a bit of recon, especially that group seeing as they had a cop and a (former? current?) soldier in their ranks, but hey ho.
But to stay put in Alexandria was dumb after what went down with Negan. If they stayed put so they could maybe rescue Daryl at some point, playing nice in the meantime, then it was dumb not to hide some of the weapons and destroy or re-write the ledger. If they stayed put but had no longer term plan re: Mr Dixon and weren't fussed about playing nice, then it was a mistake not to make like Caesar's Legion and slap up some extra defences in record time.
Basically, though, these people are survivors. You don't survive if you're as dumb or inert as Rick and co. are currently being. I don't even buy the grief angle. They've suffered losses in horrific circumstances before (Hershel, let's say).
But to stay put in Alexandria was dumb after what went down with Negan. If they stayed put so they could maybe rescue Daryl at some point, playing nice in the meantime, then it was dumb not to hide some of the weapons and destroy or re-write the ledger. If they stayed put but had no longer term plan re: Mr Dixon and weren't fussed about playing nice, then it was a mistake not to make like Caesar's Legion and slap up some extra defences in record time.
Basically, though, these people are survivors. You don't survive if you're as dumb or inert as Rick and co. are currently being. I don't even buy the grief angle. They've suffered losses in horrific circumstances before (Hershel, let's say).
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I totally believe
Rick is playing some wounded bird. Because, he's not that good of an actor. Those vacuous stares he gives make me laugh every time. At least this year he hasn't shown up with a hundred bandaids on his face like some kid who raided the bandaid box. He has a plan. I think he is trying to lull them into thinking he is totally broken. They went in stupid, and they underestimated what was out there, thinking they were the top dogs of survival. But, he's quickly recalculated that. He'll come back, but in the meantime, to keep everyone safe, he has to play the game that he is some fly eating Renfield.
I don't watch the show so not sure how much of that was a spoiler but have added the spoiler tag just in case.
Let's hope - for the lack of bandaids as well as some kind of plan.
Yeah, my bad. It could have been a bit spoiler-y. Thanks.