Arista, that's just Rick. That is what he has evolved into. Screw everything, survival is all that matters. From here he'll get darker & darker. I love Rick, but he has never been my favorite character. But in the context of the show he's basically Seinfeld. Without him the show dies.
I actually like how his character has developed--it's realistic. You can't see/experience all that he's seen and experienced, especially as a person others are looking to for leadership, and NOT go down a rabbit hole of loss/shame/fear/fury. If he'd remained the good guy, "We don't kill the living" Sheriff from season 1, that would have been unrealistic. There has been a lot of silly **** on this show, particularly in the last couple of seasons, but I've liked Rick from the beginning, and still do. He's struggling mightily with justice vs. vengeance, and he's swung to both extremes over 8 seasons.
Having said that, I think this particular swing to the dark side is nearing its end. And you're right--this show started with Rick and it should end with him. To do otherwise would be a narrative travesty.
The writing on this show has been wildly uneven, but the main actors are still solid, and they can usually make even the dumbest dialogue and situations work on some level. Those people are what keeps this show watchable.
Once again,i agree with skimom2 wholeheartedly..perfectly said.I do hate to see the series end,after the first two seasons especially,and into the third,went so well..but all good things come to an end,and am just not feeling the show for the last two years or so.
I actually like how his character has developed--it's realistic. You can't see/experience all that he's seen and experienced, especially as a person others are looking to for leadership, and NOT go down a rabbit hole of loss/shame/fear/fury. If he'd remained the good guy, "We don't kill the living" Sheriff from season 1, that would have been unrealistic. There has been a lot of silly **** on this show, particularly in the last couple of seasons, but I've liked Rick from the beginning, and still do. He's struggling mightily with justice vs. vengeance, and he's swung to both extremes over 8 seasons.
Having said that, I think this particular swing to the dark side is nearing its end. And you're right--this show started with Rick and it should end with him. To do otherwise would be a narrative travesty.
The writing on this show has been wildly uneven, but the main actors are still solid, and they can usually make even the dumbest dialogue and situations work on some level. Those people are what keeps this show watchable.
Yes, all the main actors are great Danai, Andrew, Melissa, Lennie and Norman. It's just that they really try with the material that they've been given lately. The Simon character was interesting and Negan as well for a little while. Andrew Lincoln has portrayed Rick Grimes well since the beginning some of his scenes have been heart-wrenching to watch. I don't know how he does it half the time . He's a very good actor.
I like the way that the series is going right now. I just think it has jumped the shark a couple of times. However, I just have a fuzzy warm feeling towards TWD.
I think this last episode actually knocked a couple of things out of the park
they got rid of that hesitant stop-stutter way of speaking that when used sparingly conveys great import, but when used all the times just becomes irritating. Carl spoke with conviction through his letter to Rick and, yes, sometimes there is flow to conversation among real people. It doesn't have to be halting, unsure, and without a defense for why the person thinks the way they do. And I did just groan at the swift, clandestine capture of Eugene suddenly turning into a panic-fest. Let's dash off like chickens with their heads cut off rather than make sure a guy we know has a penchant for the unexpected, it's why we grabbed him, we just said so (!), isn't doing exactly what he did. I think it would've been funny if Simon had won, and beat Negan to death. That would have been a twist.
The last episode was good (if you can overlook some more tactical stupidity and some incredible timing) and got to where it needed to go but there is one major head scratcher
I can understand Maggie being upset with Rick not killing Negan but Jesus? Come on, he has been one of the most anti-killing characters on the show. Why would he side with Maggie over Rick? And Daryl just let Dwight go, why would be critical of Rick?
Yap i was wondering about that too. *lol* The Weasel did something good, that was a little bit surprising.(Damn)
Why Dary annd Jesus side with Maggie, especially Jesus...i don't know
The last episode was actually good not spectacular like leaving you anticipating season 9 spectacular.
Eugene came through finally. He's still annoying but less so only because of what he did with the exploding guns. When Rick showed mercy to Negan after it looked like he was going to die, that was all because of Carl. I liked the flashbacks of Rick walking with Carl on the road in the past. The scene where Morgan was talking to the ghost of Jared reminded me of the ghost scenes in Pet Sematary. Maggie wasn't happy with Rick's decision not to kill Negan. It seemed like I haven't heard Daryl speak in forever when he agreed with Maggie. They did tie up some loose ends but it took soooo long. The sea people were actually utilized seems like they still didn't have to be there. Could there be a major shift in power next season? Maybe.
It was all right. Nothing spectacular. I suspect the
Maggie is a traitor
scene was used out of context to get people buzzing (though by this time it's more of an annoying wheeze), because Gimple was talking about them having filmed another scene with Maggie, Rick, and Michonne planning the future and they chose to cut that scene. Silly, really. I'm actually coming to expect at least one mind-bogglingly stupid scene in each show *cough* stained glass *cough*.
It was the first finale I can remember where no one important died. From the way it started I thought maybe Ezekiel's number was up, or that of the big guy with the axe (whose name has slipped my memory for now), or possibly even Carol's. Maybe all of them. At that point, who knew? Chuck in a possible end for Rosita and/or Tara and it could have been a proper cull. Instead...no.
One plus to the whole Eugene thing was that I found out why Samuel Morse invented the telegraph: it was to let people know there was a problem with the ammo in the ambush scene during the finale of S8 of The Walking Dead. It really felt like it was that long in coming. As build-ups go, subtle it was not.
To be filed under X: why did Eugene flip back in the first place? Had he really flipped to Negan's side at all? Yes, he's a coward and yes, they tend to bend with whichever way the wind is blowing...but at that point, only Eugene knew that the deck was stacked against Negan and it was all his own handiwork. Had he made the bullets properly, the odds were very strongly against Rick and co - especially since Rick's posse collectively lacked the sense to send a couple of scouts, had no one out protecting the flanks, and failed to drop to the ground and/or retreat to cover (Trees, people! They're right behind you!) and form an all-round defence. But eh. The whole thing was tactically stupid from top to bottom and on both sides. (There really is nothing better than having an enemy silhouette themselves against the skyline. And was it just me, or was that reminiscent of a load of old westerns where the Indians do the same thing, only to have the 7th Cavalry turn up in the nick of time (and it always seemed to be the 7th, right?) and thoroughly f... I mean, spoil...their day?)
I get Maggie's reaction to Rick allowing Negan to live, and it was well played, I thought. But Jesus being on-side and all shiny-eyed at the thought of violence? When five minutes before he'd been telling Morgan that he didn't have to be like Arya Stark and "stick 'em with the pointy end"? And Daryl, too? It just makes no sense. Besides, who're Hilltop going to fight with? Seemed to me like no end of people buggered off to live and work at the Sanctuary (which you wouldn't have caught me doing straight after the battle (well, I say battle...). No sir or ma'am). If others have also departed for the Kingdom, Alexandria, or the long walk to wherever FTWD S4 is set (someone said it had moved/was moving to Texas; not California but still a long old poke from DC/Maryland/Virginia, AFAIK), then who's left to fight for Maggie?
As for some kind of "emergency temporal shift"...I really hope not, but I think they will.
So yeah, all in all I was pretty underwhelmed, really. Much like the season in general, it had some good bits and some not so good bits and a few bits that were pure WTF?
The mysterious stained glass windows on the tree...surely that can only point to the whole thing being some kind of dream? It's just too surreal otherwise.
I don't know if anyone bothered with Talking Dead afterwards (and boy, how that was scaled down from the outside broadcast, here's all the cast and a load of fans stuff from the last 2/3 seasons!), but when Scott M. Gimple was talking he looked pretty down, even defeated, from how he's usually been in the past, and he mentioned something about the show having a new look and feel planned for next season. I almost felt sorry for the guy. Almost.
I think I also heard Andrew Lincoln say something about them having no scripts yet for S9. That surprised me given the fact that the show had been renewed more or less immediately after S8 ep1. Is it that they always work that way (which, again, would surprise me), or has Angela Kang walked in, torn up all the works in progress, and either told the writers to start over or has herself opted to start over with a new writing team?
Either way, reading between the lines it seems like there'll be some big changes coming in, on top of those already evident in some second half of S8 eps.
Totally with y'all who were completely puzzled about
Jesus siding with Maggie and Daryl against Rick and Michonne (did Lauren Cohen mispronounce Michonne's character name markedly in that scene or did I just imagine it?). Made absolutely no sense whatsoever in light of his successful intervention on Morgan's behalf. No sense. Now, there are a lot of background stories of people we never meet that are often left for us to wonder about, some are explained, some aren't, and I'm actually willing to give the stained-glass windows hanging in the trees that benefit of the doubt. There's always been an element of the supernatural to the show, like Jenner's inability to explain what they were looking at, that it didn't even appear to be any clearly defined virus, or any identifiable pathogen. They basically could only watch it's effects and spread on human subjects. I forget the guy's name they left leaning against a tree with a gun after he was bit, but he had a vision dream about all those graves, There were times like that when divine providence of some kind led them through their dark nights of the soul often anthropomorphized by the struggles, creatures, people and other objects of impasse that they were symbolically faced with. Deus Ex Machina is an article of faith for believers in the aforementioned Divine Providence/Undeniable Presence. I think there are a lot of uneven/forced moments in the show, but that undercurrent of repeating themes along those lines is seldom part of it. Except for maybe for Eugene's abrupt defection. His gradual brainwashing by Negan actually made all the sense in the world. After all Dwight tried really hard to do it with Daryl, which is why he hated him so much. And makes it all the more puzzling, when Daryl appeared to grudgingly agree with Rick and sent Dwight away, that Daryl suddenly shows up at Maggie's secret meeting. Now there are a lot of good points made about not hiding in the trees and other such strategic flaws in the episode, but I really like what's been done to Negan. I think that's brilliant and one of the saving graces of the show's uneven writing as of late.
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. He's a very good actor.
