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Congratulations to Meryl Davis and Charlie White for breaking the all-time highest ide dancing score ever, winning the gold in Sochi. Canadians Virtue and Moir broke the record first. The Davis and White followed and shattered it by more than 2 points.

Virtue and Moir, supported by their fans, are claiming that the outcome was fixed, and blame their coach, who they share with Davis and White, for paying more attention to the latter. Sore losers, much?
Their skate was flawless as far as I could tell. Smooth and beautiful. I have Virtue and Moir recorded to watch later, and I'm sure they were lovely too. It just comes down to the opinion of the judges. And a lot of things can influence them -- the choice of music, the choice of costume, is the couple more appealing (all these things they would deny probably, but they are humans and a lot of psychology has gone into the choice of colors and music and everything!) -- and of course the ultimate, did they hit the things they were supposed to hit. And how was their technique. It all came down to that one skate. Another night, it could have gone another way. Just be gracious and move on.
 

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Virtue and Moir skated very well. Well enough to break the world record before Davis and White skated after them and broke it again.
For me, the difference between the two teams has always been class. Davis and White are lovely and elegant, while Virtue and Moir strike poses that go beyond trashy to hit the crass mark. They'll simulate sexual positions or have him lift her with her crotch right in his face or something.
During this last free skate, he grabbed her butt and held on to it for no good reason. He wasn't lifting her or putting her down. There just wasn't any call for it. Davis and White don't do that. Maybe the judges feel the same way I do about the difference between class and crass.

Virtue and Moir:
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Davis and White:
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The only thing in his face is her skirt.
 
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Congratulations to Meryl Davis and Charlie White for breaking the all-time highest ide dancing score ever, winning the gold in Sochi. Canadians Virtue and Moir broke the record first. The Davis and White followed and shattered it by more than 2 points.

Virtue and Moir, supported by their fans, are claiming that the outcome was fixed, and blame their coach, who they share with Davis and White, for paying more attention to the latter. Sore losers, much?

My only comment regarding the coach is whether she felt there was a fix or not, she wouldn't lodge a complaint, and the coach is the one who should.

There are multiple signs that the marks were rigged. But since it's all secret there's no way to know for sure. Wouldn't be the first time Canadians lost before even stepping on to the ice. Probably won't be the last either.

But when Petri Kokko says it was the Americans who made an error on the Finstep, but the Canadians lost the marks on it....that should make everyone think twice about the results.
 

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My only comment regarding the coach is whether she felt there was a fix or not, she wouldn't lodge a complaint, and the coach is the one who should.

There are multiple signs that the marks were rigged. But since it's all secret there's no way to know for sure. Wouldn't be the first time Canadians lost before even stepping on to the ice. Probably won't be the last either.

But when Petri Kokko says it was the Americans who made an error on the Finstep, but the Canadians lost the marks on it....that should make everyone think twice about the results.
Linky to where that was said?

Edited: Found it.

But even if the Canadians hadn't been faulted on the finstep and the Americans had, the latter were still .48 of a point ahead in the component scores (if I read his comments correctly) and still would have won it. Just not by such a landslide.
 
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And that is one of the things that make me think an arrangement might have been made. Both teams are excellent. The big difference in the marks looks shady.

If you look back, I said the Russians earned the gold in team. I did not think it was a set up, even though it had been reported by then that a judge said there was an arrangement.

But Petri's comments, the big difference in marks, and Plushenko's injury......all three together have put some doubts in my mind. Of course there are some Canadians that have probably never even watched Pairs Dancing and are screaming and yelling about it. But some of us do watch, and we think it should be investigated. If the American and Russian judges marked Davis and White way above what any other judges marked them AND those same two judges marked Virtue and Moir way below what all the other judges marked them, then that's an arrangement. Especially if the same pattern shows up in their marking of the teams.

I know the marks are not made public, but if they could, they should look into it.

The last time I heard of a judge intentionally marking wrongly they were not allowed to judge for a year. That's ridiculous. They should be banned for life when caught.

And for the record....I was not going to post about this. You are rightfully proud of your skaters. They were amazing both nights. I posted my concerns before the skate. Once it was done, and Davis and white got the gold, I was not going to raise it again. But, one line of your post (with the picture of them holding the flag) offended me. So I responded. (Not a big deal. I'm over what I felt offended by.)

I hope you realize it isn't all "sour grapes". You don't have to agree with me, but I hope you can understand why I and many others would like the judging examined.

And now.....on to hockey. :)
 

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Oh I didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know. Guess Teemu Selänne is also playing in a NHL team. I don't like
ice hockey so much and don't follow what is happening in that world, so just guessing here. OK google helped me a little. ;)
Saku Koivu is another who seems to play in NHL team too.
 

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And that is one of the things that make me think an arrangement might have been made. Both teams are excellent. The big difference in the marks looks shady.

If you look back, I said the Russians earned the gold in team. I did not think it was a set up, even though it had been reported by then that a judge said there was an arrangement.

But Petri's comments, the big difference in marks, and Plushenko's injury......all three together have put some doubts in my mind. Of course there are some Canadians that have probably never even watched Pairs Dancing and are screaming and yelling about it. But some of us do watch, and we think it should be investigated. If the American and Russian judges marked Davis and White way above what any other judges marked them AND those same two judges marked Virtue and Moir way below what all the other judges marked them, then that's an arrangement. Especially if the same pattern shows up in their marking of the teams.

I know the marks are not made public, but if they could, they should look into it.

The last time I heard of a judge intentionally marking wrongly they were not allowed to judge for a year. That's ridiculous. They should be banned for life when caught.

And for the record....I was not going to post about this. You are rightfully proud of your skaters. They were amazing both nights. I posted my concerns before the skate. Once it was done, and Davis and white got the gold, I was not going to raise it again. But, one line of your post (with the picture of them holding the flag) offended me. So I responded. (Not a big deal. I'm over what I felt offended by.)

I hope you realize it isn't all "sour grapes". You don't have to agree with me, but I hope you can understand why I and many others would like the judging examined.

And now.....on to hockey. :)
No worries. :)
 
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I was also really happy that Kaetlyn had a nice clean skate today. I'm not sure where she placed, but she can be proud of herself. I didn't watch the ladies skate. Couldn't. But I did see part of hers later on the news.

actually, I 'm one of those people who think anyone who makes it to the Olympics has the right to be proud of themselves. The person who comes in last still tried and can do better then the average person. :)
 

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Check this out.

The Athletes of the First Winter Olympics

Most safety equipment was not created in 1924. Love the brooms for curling. :D
That was interesting. I have a picture of my grandfather on an old fashioned 4 man bobsled (for fun). After the picture was taken they took it for a ride. They crashed. One of the men died and one broke his leg. My grandfather was unscathed.
 

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And the judging controversy continues.

Judges on thin ice after controversial Russian win - The Irish Times - Thu, Feb 20, 2014

I truly feel bad for people who are awarded gold and there is controversy. Whatever shady dealings are going on, it's not them, yet to some people, their gold will always carry a bit of tarnish.

But I'd like to quote the American women's skater in this article. (She came in 7th I think, so not sour grapes)

“People don’t want to watch a sport where you watch people fall down and somehow score above someone who goes clean,” she said. “It’s confusing and we need to make it clear for people. People need to be held accountable. They need to get rid of anonymous judging. There are many changes that need to come to this sport if we want a fan base.”